While Europe Slept

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brotherhrolf:
Either Jesus Christ is the Son of God, True God; True Man or we Christians have lived two thousand years of lies. I don’t think so. But it is not us who are sending terrorists across the length and breadth of Islam, is it? It is not us who are kidnapping peaceful Islamic missionaries and executing them, is it? Seems to me the problem is not militant Christianity but militant Islam. So when Spain rolls over and plays dead for Islam, how different are they from Neville Chamberlin and the Nazis? While they may be the descendants of Rodrigo Diaz de Bivar and of the Reconquista, they have acted like they are French and like the French they will suffer the conqueror’s heel and surrender and once again it will be American blood which will be shed in Europe. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
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If you think Christians have been living a lie what do you think all other faiths are thinking when they question their faith.

Actually you are advocating Christian militancy in your post, to combat “Islamic militancy”.
 
Ummm, perhaps we are having language difficulties. I do not believe Christians have been living a lie for 2,000 years. Jesus Christ IS the Son of God. He IS true God and true man. You may not believe this and that is your right - God give us all the right to choose.

As to Christian militancy? As a student of history, I do profoundly believe that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. A tree is know by its fruits and right now I see the seeds of western destruction being sown by Islamic militants. Islam is not a religion of peace - Islam brings the sword, fire and destruction. History is replete with examples. Here is something you and your bretheren should consider. Imperial Japan took comfort from Neville Chamberlin’s actions against Hitler. Imperial Japan took comfort from Franklin Roosevelt’s seeming lack of action in 1939. Imperial Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and woke that sleeping giant to their detriment. The mood in this country amongst the regular citizens (not the liberal elite or the Hollywood types) is not favorable towards Islam. We, however, are not likely to go out and do the kinds of things towards Islam as have been done by Muslims to Christians. Muslims are safe in America. Christians are not safe anywhere in the Islamic world.

I am not advocating Christian militancy. I am saying it is better to let sleeping giants lie. Only a fool stirs up a hornet’s nest.
 
Sure whatever,

Btw as a history student have you heard of ethnocentrism. A very prevalent concept in the world, especially the West.
 
I am an anthropologist by training. Do you want me to give you a discourse about ethnocentrism? I can assure you that I have the credentials. You might look to your own eyes and pluck the plank out of them before you look at the splinter in mine.
 
What’s my planck, Im not arguing that my culture is better than others. Or even comparing my culture aginst others.

Or do you strive to be ethnocentric?
 
It’s ethnocentric to demand that people only pray or read the Quran in Arabic when they are not Arabs. To adopt Arab customs when they are not Arab.

And it’s really wrong for Pakistan to murder Christians for “blasphemy” as a pretext for slaughter.
 
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brotherhrolf:
I am an anthropologist by training. Do you want me to give you a discourse about ethnocentrism? I can assure you that I have the credentials. You might look to your own eyes and pluck the plank out of them before you look at the splinter in mine.
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Mabbe he indeed need your discourse, brother 😃
 
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Shadowcry:
Sure whatever,

Btw as a history student have you heard of ethnocentrism. A very prevalent concept in the world, especially the West.
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Yea like when western newspapers have cartoons aimed at a western audience and the arab/Islamic world erupts in protesting western freedom of speech.

Then again non-arab muslims also rioted thinking that western culture and its barbarism so rudely insulted Mohammed.

I wonder what this all means?
 
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pro_universal:
I am talking about making wars on middle eastern and other countries that end up costing hundreds of thousands of lives.

I think you misunderstood the point I made. I meant it is more dangerous for us to become militant and ready to kill women and children, because our American weapons are capable of killing millions of people. When terrorists decide to attack, they use improvised weapons and if they are hugely successful, kill thousands. If a military like the US decides to attack a country, it can kill millions of people in a day if it wants.

Hence, we have to be especially vigilant, lest we stop respecting human rights and start believing that it’s okay to kill huge numbers of people in the name of “fighting terror.”
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A common ploy is to attack and accuse your adversaries of the very things you or your followers are doing.
 
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estesbob:
Oh my-lets not let FACTS get in the way of opinion. i am sure that you, as Student in the Heart of England ,are much more well versed on the Oil Industry than little old me-who merely obtains(and has so for 26byears) a substantial part of his income from people involved in it.

So libero-you say Bush was an oil baron. Do you know what his firms were involved in? Was he the gereral partner or a ltd partner? Does it matter? Would it make any difference to his baronship if he was involved in an LLC instead of a Partnership? Would it have been advisable for him to operate as a Corp? Do you know what the current depletion rate for oil wells are? Do you know what it means to have a working interest in an oil well? Did Bush or his firms have working interest in wells?Do you know why Oil Royalties are exempt from Texas community property laws? If a person makes a lot of money hauling saltwater from oil wells does that make him an oil baron or a saltwater baron? If a Texan owns oil wells and cattle is he an oil barron or a cattle baron?
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Opinion, wow, such hypocrisy, I should tolerate being branded someone who uses opinion above facts by yourself, one who believes that because he was employed by an oil baron, he is suddenly an expert in the given field. You want to see the stupidity of the matter - my dad, produces films using video equipment, about 90% of his employers work in a particular business field, however even he is not under the disillusion that because of this fact, he is now an expert, and therefore knows more than anyone else on the matter.

I cannot stand this, it is pointless even attempting to engage in a conversation here, when the comments just turn into callous and unfounded attacks.

I am too tired tying to explain logic, when it falls on deaf ears, and those who already consider themselves far superior due to their location, and their age…

So disapointing.
 
I have tried that, but unfortunately you refuse to listen, your self pride of oooh living in Texas over ruling any comment I make.

One final attempt I can make before just loosing all energy shall be to define “baron” as apparently you are not aware of what it means:

One who has significant wealth, power and influence in a given area of activity.

As defined by the Collins English Dictionary.

I believe Bush constitutes (or did) a baron in the field of oil, due to the money and time he spent with oil.
 
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Libero:
One final attempt I can make before just loosing all energy shall be to define “baron” as apparently you are not aware of what it means:

One who has significant wealth, power and influence in a given area of activity.
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And the point is Bush was none of those.He as involved in two small, failed energy firms Thats what you just dont seem to get.

Nor by the way is he a cattle baron. In fact in Texas Bush is the kind of rancher refered to as “All hat and no Cattle”. He has even jokingly admited as much. Laura calls him a “windshield rancher”.

BTW-I am throwing out all these terms in hope of getting back at my British friends for ribbing me for not being able to understand the language beng spoken in the “East Enders”
 
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estesbob:
And the point is Bush was none of those.He as involved in two small, failed energy fimrs Thats what you just dont seem to get.

Nor by the way is he a cattle baron. In fact in Texas Bush is the kind of rancher refered to as “All hat and no Cattle”. He has even jokingly admited as much. Laura calls him a “windshield rancher”. BTW-I am throwing out all these terms in hope of getting back at my British friends ribbing me for not being able to unerstand the language beng spoken in the “East Enders”
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He was involved in three firms for a significant amount of time, whilst it was not his entire life, he invested alot of money into the industry, and has acquired an ammount of knowledge into the topic, he most definetely did have significant power in the field, as he was the owner (or general partner to be specific) of two firms, whilst this may seem trivial to you, it is not to those who recognise that this is a unique accomplishment, very very few acheive, and therefore, brings with it a unique status.
 
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Libero:
He was involved in three firms for a significant amount of time, whilst it was not his entire life, he invested alot of money into the industry, and has acquired an ammount of knowledge into the topic, he most definetely did have significant power in the field, as he was the owner (or general partner to be specific) of two firms, whilst this may seem trivial to you, it is not to those who recognise that this is a unique accomplishment, very very few acheive, and therefore, brings with it a unique status.
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It is obvious that the British and Texans have a huge difference of opinion as to what consitutes a substantial amount of money. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_8.gif

As far as failing in the oil business, beleive me that is not unique at all…
 
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estesbob:
It is obvious that the British and Texans have a huge difference of opinion as to what consitutes a substantial amount of money. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_8.gif

As far as failing in the oil business, beleive me that is not unique at all…
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Yes, I am from a family of poor Irish and Welsh farmers, I agree that we most definetely have different values in regards to money.

This little sub topic we have started will clearly never be solved, simply because we both have different definitions… oh well, another one lost into the wilderness… 😛 😉
 
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Libero:
The “Rev” Fred Phelps is a joke, and a bigot - I do not like him :mad: anywho, with that out of the way…

Isn’t this thread meant to be about that fantastic place - Europe.
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Fred Phelps and his little group are disgusting. But all they do is hold up objectionable signs. They don’t kill people.
 
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JimG:
Fred Phelps and his little group are disgusting. But all they do is hold up objectionable signs. They don’t kill people.
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Yes, I will give you that one… 🙂
 
Why do people waste time and energy responding to apologists of Muslim terrorists?
 
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mandolin:
Why do people waste time and energy responding to apologists of Muslim terrorists?
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No body here is an apologist of terrorists, but rather, people who defend Islam, and recognise that it is a religion that is not as fundamental nor terrorist based as many would have us believe.
 
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