While Europe Slept

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mandolin:
Why do people waste time and energy responding to apologists of Muslim terrorists?
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I havent seen anyone post in this group that us an apologist for terrorist??? Who are you refering to?
 
What rubbish? Islam makes universalist claims and justifies violence to achieve it. Anybody who suggests otherwise does not know Islam and is ignorant of history. The West has had peace and economic growth in the last three hundred years is because it surpassed the muslim world in military technology. The day the muslim world matches the west in military technology constant warfare between the west and islam will be commonplace.
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Libero:
No body here is an apologist of terrorists, but rather, people who defend Islam, and recognise that it is a religion that is not as fundamental nor terrorist based as many would have us believe.
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mandolin:
What rubbish? Islam makes universalist claims and justifies violence to achieve it. Anybody who suggests otherwise does not know Islam.
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This is an extreme generalisation, and ignores the efforts of many Muslim religious leaders to promote peace and unity, I am disturbed and somewhat saddened that you truly believe Islam is a religion of hate, or at least that it promotes violence to achieve universalism.
 
The West has had peace and economic growth in the last three hundred years is because it surpassed the muslim world in military technology. The day the muslim world matches the west in military technology constant warfare between the west and islam will be commonplace.
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You think World Wars I and II were part of a stream of peace and economic growth?
Anybody who suggests otherwise does not know Islam and is ignorant of history.
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Alright, so how did you learn the “real” Islam and how did you learn the “real” history?
 
When you hear on the news that a plane has been hijacked, that a church was bombed, someone was beheaded…who is generally behind it? Nuns? The Legion of Mary? The Islamic voice for peace seems very muted. I don’t hear it. But I do hear the cries of my brother Christians who are being persecuted by Muslims. I do see that in Europe it is the Muslims who perpetrate violence against Jews and Christians. If you don’t see it then it is because you don’t want to.

PS: And pro, the issue of your religious affiliation is not forgotten.
 
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pro_universal:
You think World Wars I and II were part of a stream of peace and economic growth?

Alright, so how did you learn the “real” Islam and how did you learn the “real” history?
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Islamic nations were on which side during WWI and WWII? Hmm? And peace and economic growth DID come as a result of WWI and II despite the trajedy of both wars.

I repeat again. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it and if Europe can’t read the hadwriting on the wall (and history proves they can’t, time after time) then there are others of us who can.
 
Not exactly. The SS Handjar division was made up of Muslim volunteers. The only thing Muslims didn’t like about the Nazi’s was that they didn’t kill all the Jews. They want to finish the job themselves.
 
Yeah and Catholics fought the allies too. So the Catholics must be evil too. “Sarcasm”
 
The North African kingdoms protected Jews from the Nazis, who were there in force for some time. Try to find evidence of an Auschwitz in the middle east, and you won’t, because there wasn’t one.

Before the troubles in Israel/Palestine, muslims were sympathetic to their fellow Semites. You can read about that in the Emir Feisal/Chaim Weizmann agreement.

If we support peace now to return to those days of cooperation and understanding, we might succeed. More war is only going to bury the special and historical relationship between Jews and Arabs even further.
 
Ces where do you think most of the Jews immigrated to Isreal. From Muslim countries!

This is total rusbbish.
 
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Ces where do you think most of the Jews immigrated to Isreal. From Muslim countries!

This is total rusbbish.
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Not true, from Europe, Eastern Europe, and Russia…
 
Shadow,
They did indeed leave Islamic countries. Often by force. Those who remain live on the edge.

pro/achmed, oh the Germans were more efficient, but they had less time. Muslims have been killing Jews off for 1400 years. Remember your story about judgement day when the tree will say “hey Muslim there is a Jew hiding behind me come kill him”. Such a NICE religion you have.
 
Christians have been killing Jews more violently throughout the centuries but thats beside the point.

Jews have lived and will continue to live in countries such as Yemen.
 
Most Jews left Yemen. They aren’t moving to Pakistan either if you haven’t noticed. However, in the US Jews have done well and are part of the fabric of our culture. They are not dhimmi. They are fellow citizens with full and equal rights. Not like in Muslim nations. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. Jews today do not see Christians as the main threat against them. That prize goes to you folks.
 
Please discuss the topic.

Making derrogatory and accusational comments to one another is uncharitable and is distracting from the topic.

Please continue-

Rachel
 
Israel is the only democracy in the middle east.
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Half of the people who are under Israeli administration are not allowed to vote. It’s not a democracy.
Most Jews left Yemen. They aren’t moving to Pakistan either if you haven’t noticed.
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All post World War II, for the most part. It’s a shame that we’ve allowed such violence to spread and even encouraged it in some cases.

For most of the years of Our Lord before World War II, muslim territory was the only place in the world where Jews could count on having their lives and property protected. The destruction of that long relationship is the fruit of the world wars, and we all have a duty to understand why and work to reverse it.
 
I don’t think it was derogatory. When I was in Israel they showed no signs of fearing Christians. The Jews I know don’t fear me or the Methodists. I was observing the fact.
 
All Israeli citizens can vote. I will grant you that Iraq had recent elections. Under US auspices. We did not start post-war violence. In 48 Israel was invaded and we didnt’ start that. Don’t try and pin all wars on us. In 2000 we brokered a deal giving Arafat 98% of the West Bank and all of Gaza. He said no and started the latest round of fighting. All the players constantly ask us to keep the peace process going.
 
All Israeli citizens can vote.
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Except that not everyone subject to Israeli administration and law is an Israeli citizen. Half the population is in territory that Israel occupies and claims the right to occupy, but they have no voting rights or role in the political process. A state where only a minority of the people get to vote on the government that controls their destinies is not a democracy.
In 2000 we brokered a deal giving Arafat 98% of the West Bank and all of Gaza. He said no and started the latest round of fighting. All the players constantly ask us to keep the peace process going.
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As the deal was brokered, settlement construction continued illegaly and unabated. No Israeli leader except for Yitzak Rabin (may God have mercy on him) was realistically committed to peace, and look what the Jewish radicals did to Rabin.
 
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