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This is the title of a new book White Muslim from LA to New York…to Jihad by Brendan Bernhard. It comes from a series by LA weekly. It is the story of American converts to Islam. Why they join and where it leads. An interesting read.
 
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cestusdei:
This is the title of a new book White Muslim from LA to New York…to Jihad by Brendan Bernhard. It comes from a series by LA weekly. It is the story of American converts to Islam. Why they join and where it leads. An interesting read.
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any link we can read?
 
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cestusdei:
This is the title of a new book White Muslim from LA to New York…to Jihad by Brendan Bernhard. It comes from a series by LA weekly. It is the story of American converts to Islam. Why they join and where it leads. An interesting read.
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Dear cestusdei:
You asked " Why they join and where it leads".

Well, the actual interesting thing to know is facts like this:

An Italian Ambassador Becomes A Muslim

This would be “An interesting read”:

Rome’s Envoy to Saudi Arabia Converts to Islam
by Luke Baker, CNN, November 26 2001 CE

ROME (Reuters) – Italy’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia has converted to Islam, the second time in seven years that an envoy of Rome to the land of Mecca has adopted its religion…​

For details:
riseofislam.com/europe_and_islam_05.html
thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/article.php?articleid=176​
 
whats the problem when people say “Why they join and where it leads. An interesting read.” seems you always try to debunk everything we say even though it is not a question for the muslims. 😃
 
"The Western press and news agencies were attracted by Torquato Cardilli’s, Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, conversion to Islam.

"Actually, Torquoato Cardilli was the second ambassador who converted to Islam. Before him, Ambassador **Mario Scialoja ** also had converted to Islam. Having converted when he was Rome’s permanent ambassador to the United Nations, Scialoja was later appointed ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

**“Cardilli ** had spent many years in Muslim countries, and his conversion shows once again the rapid growth of Islam in Italy. About 1 million Muslims live in Italy and in the last two or three years about 5,000 people have converted.”

Source: Reuters, November 26, 2001​

For details:
riseofislam.com/europe_and_islam_05.html
thetruereligion.org/modules/…p?articleid=176
 
Cyber Knight:
whats the problem when people say “Why they join and where it leads. An interesting read.” seems you always try to debunk everything we say even though it is not a question for the muslims. 😃
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Dear Cyber Knight:

Well, if someone posts anything at Catholic Answers Forums > Forums > Non-Catholic Religions under the thread > White Muslim , and doesn’t clarify to whom his/her post is actually addressed, then, it is natural that every participant/visitor of this thread will feel “may be it is addressed towards me”.

What is wrong if I replied with more interesting factual story to read about Honorable Torquoato Cardilli’s?

Do you think the stature of Honorable Torquoato Cardilli is less than any “White Muslim” from any angle?

Muslims don’t have seperate “White Mosques” meant for White people or “Black Mosques” exclusively for Black people only, like you Christiandom has White Churches and Black Churches.

Allah (The God) says in the Holy Quran:

**يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ **

**O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). ** ----Surah 49:13

And it also says:

وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ لَوْلآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُنذِرٌ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ

And the Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?”
But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide. ----Surah 13:7
The below is an excerpt from a speech delivered by the former U.S. President Bill Clinton, co-chair, International AIDS Trust, on July 12, 2002:

It has been my experience that when people are pitted against others by politicians, they do it either out of fear of political damage or out of a desire for political advantage. Either motive is a rebuke to our common humanity.

A common humanity enshrined in all the great religions. The Torah says he who turns aside a stranger might as well turn aside from the most-high God.

The Holy Koran says that Allah put different people on the earth, not that they might despise one another but that they might come to know one another and learn from one another.

In the Christian Gospel, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God but the next is like unto it – to love your neighbor as yourself.

In the Dhamma Pada, the Buddhist says never does hatred by hatred cease but by love alone.

In the Bhagavad-Gita, Lord Krishna says him I hold highest who suffers every sorry of every creature within his own heart. In our interdependent world, we have to suffer the sorrows of each other.

Our differences are differences are important. They make life more interesting but our common humanity matters more.

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BBC News , UK, says:

Clinton says cartoons 'a mistake’

Clinton: The cartoons were an opportunity to build bridges with the West
Former US president Bill Clinton has said the publication in the West of cartoons satirising Prophet Muhammad was a mistake.

Details:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4723450.stm​
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freedomm:
Dear Cyber Knight:

Well, if someone posts anything at Catholic Answers Forums > Forums > Non-Catholic Religions under the thread > White Muslim , and doesn’t clarify to whom his/her post is actually addressed, then, it is natural that every participant/visitor of this thread will feel “may be it is addressed towards me”.

What is wrong if I replied with more interesting factual story to read about Honorable Torquoato Cardilli’s?

Do you think the stature of Honorable Torquoato Cardilli is less than any “White Muslim” from any angle?

Muslims don’t have seperate “White Mosques” meant for White people or “Black Mosques” exclusively for Black people only, like you Christiandom has White Churches and Black Churches.

Allah (The God) says in the Holy Quran:

**يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ **

**O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). ** ----Surah 49:13

And it also says:

وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ لَوْلآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُنذِرٌ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ

And the Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?”
But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide. ----Surah 13:7
The below is an excerpt from a speech delivered by the former U.S. President Bill Clinton, co-chair, International AIDS Trust, on July 12, 2002:

It has been my experience that when people are pitted against others by politicians, they do it either out of fear of political damage or out of a desire for political advantage. Either motive is a rebuke to our common humanity.

A common humanity enshrined in all the great religions. The Torah says he who turns aside a stranger might as well turn aside from the most-high God.

The Holy Koran says that Allah put different people on the earth, not that they might despise one another but that they might come to know one another and learn from one another.

In the Christian Gospel, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God but the next is like unto it – to love your neighbor as yourself.

In the Dhamma Pada, the Buddhist says never does hatred by hatred cease but by love alone.

In the Bhagavad-Gita, Lord Krishna says him I hold highest who suffers every sorry of every creature within his own heart. In our interdependent world, we have to suffer the sorrows of each other.

Our differences are differences are important. They make life more interesting but our common humanity matters more.

[Welcome to Adobe GoLive 5]](Welcome to Adobe GoLive 5])

BBC News , UK, says:

Clinton says cartoons 'a mistake’

Clinton: The cartoons were an opportunity to build bridges with the West
Former US president Bill Clinton has said the publication in the West of cartoons satirising Prophet Muhammad was a mistake.

Details:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4723450.stm​

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President Clinton was also the first black president. Y’all didn’t know that?
 
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freedomm:
Dear Cyber Knight:
A common humanity enshrined in all the great religions. The Torah says he who turns aside a stranger might as well turn aside from the most-high God.

The Holy Koran says that Allah put different people on the earth, not that they might despise one another but that they might come to know one another and learn from one another.

In the Christian Gospel, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God but the next is like unto it – to love your neighbor as yourself.

In the Dhamma Pada, the Buddhist says never does hatred by hatred cease but by love alone.

In the Bhagavad-Gita, Lord Krishna says him I hold highest who suffers every sorry of every creature within his own heart. In our interdependent world, we have to suffer the sorrows of each other.

Our differences are differences are important. They make life more interesting but our common humanity matters more.

["]Welcome to Adobe GoLive 5]]("Welcome to Adobe GoLive 5)

:whistle: :whistle:
BBC News , UK, says:

Clinton says cartoons 'a mistake’

Clinton: The cartoons were an opportunity to build bridges with the West

Former US president Bill Clinton has said the publication in the West of cartoons satirising Prophet Muhammad was a mistake

Details:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4723450.stm

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Just like Mohammed had the Jew who wrote a satyrical poem about him assassinated, so did his faithful followers and imitators kill people over those silly cartoons!

You follow a great man indeed!:rolleyes:
 
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cestusdei:
This is the title of a new book White Muslim from LA to New York…to Jihad by Brendan Bernhard. It comes from a series by LA weekly. It is the story of American converts to Islam. Why they join and where it leads. An interesting read.
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got a link? seems interesting
 
nevermind… i just listened to an interview…he sounds like a bigot in the interview and acting as if people converting to Islam is a threat.
and read reviews of the books…
no wonder you talked about this book…for a second i thought you would be open minded.
 
I read the book and it is actually very good. I think they call it “White Muslim”, because the kid who converted (“reverted” as the Muslims say), is actually *really * white. I saw his picture online in an online version of a magazine article. He looks like he could have been in the elite German SS corps or something in WWII. Blonde, blue, tall, pale skin.

Anyway, he jumped from being like a typical “surfer dude” type of guy, out West, w/no real religion at all (although was born and baptized Catholic actually) to being a hardcore Wahabist-style Muslim , driving a cab around Manhattan. He dresses the part and everything. He says he was only born here, and that was an accident of circumstance or whatever, and that if he were ever in a situation where he would have to take up arms to either help defend fellow (non Muslim, presumably) Americans, or defend Muslims who he perceived to be under attack by the Americans, he’d take up arms for the Muslims. He says he doesn’t see how he couldn’t. So , basically, he’s a John Walker Lindh type of guy really. Only he never actually had the stones to leave this country and travel to these God-forsaken third world corners of the planet and take up with actual Muslim fighters.

Two other books like this, “My Jihad”, by Aukai Collins,

and “My Heart Became Attached” , by Mark Kukis

Both should be on Amazon or at your friendly neighborhood bookstore. Both are definitely worth a read.

peace…
 
The Italian ambassador is an interesting story. He is an Islamophile who decided to sneak into Mecca. He got caught. The Saudi’s were in a bind. If they killed him it would be bad. The Italians were embarassed. So what to do? Have the ambassador “convert” on the spot and then recall him to Italy in haste. Once there he was sidelined and told to be quiet. Sorry muslims, he didn’t really “convert”. He just didn’t care to be buried to his waist and stoned to death.
 
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cestusdei:
The Italian ambassador is an interesting story. He is an Islamophile who decided to sneak into Mecca. He got caught. The Saudi’s were in a bind. If they killed him it would be bad. The Italians were embarassed. So what to do? Have the ambassador “convert” on the spot and then recall him to Italy in haste. Once there he was sidelined and told to be quiet. Sorry muslims, he didn’t really “convert”. He just didn’t care to be buried to his waist and stoned to death.
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WOW talk about ignorance.
 
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Booklover:
Just like Mohammed had the Jew who wrote a satyrical poem about him assassinated, so did his faithful followers and imitators kill people over those silly cartoons!

You follow a great man indeed!:rolleyes:
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Dear Booklover:

You need to ponder on some of the reported**‘beautitudes’** of Jesus Christ, by Matthew in Chapter 5:

17 Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 He therefore that shall break one of these least commandments, and shall so teach men, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But he that shall do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you, that unless your justice [righteousness] abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As per Douay Rehims Bibles:

"*Amen"… That is, assuredly of a truth. This Hebrew word, amen, is here retained by the example and authority of all the four Evangelists. It is used by our Lord as a strong asseveration, and affirmation of the truth *

21 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.

22 **But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. **

— Matthew 5:17 - 22
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drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=17&f=s#x

So, as per Matthew 5, did Jesus say that he came to change the Law/the Prophets or to fulfill?

From verse 22, it is clear that he seems to add **more harshness ** to the Law of Torah by retaining the Law of Torah, let alone ceasing or changing it.

As per verse 21 “whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment” prior to the advent/ministry of Jesus Christ but after him, "whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment.

So the reason for getting into the danger of judgement:

Killing or mere anger with your brother, let alone making angry any Prophet of God.???

And:

Book Of Deuteronomy
Chapter 4:24

24 Because the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Book Of Exodus
Chapter 34: 12-14

12 Beware thou never join in friendship with the inhabitants of that land, which may be thy ruin:

13 But destroy their altars, break their statues, and cut down their groves:

14 Adore not any strange god. The Lord, his name is Jealous, he is a jealous God.

And:

Matthew 5:22

22 But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

And not to mention Isaiah 7:20, how God of Bible will act like a barber to inflict his disgrace and sufferings on his own choosen people:

Isaiah 7:20
The New American BIble

20 9 On that day the LORD shall shave with the razor hired from across the River (with the king of Assyria) the head, and the hair between the legs. It shall also shave off the beard.

FOOTENOTE 9 [20] God will use the Assyrians from across the River (the Euphrates) as his instrument (razor) to inflict disgrace and suffering upon his people

[usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm#foot9]](http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/isaiah/isaiah7.htm#foot9])​
 
freedomm,

Are you new to the whole message board thing? Each post is not supposed to be a topic within itself… Subsequent posts after the original post in one thread should relate to the same topic of that post. Remember this handy hint, as it will certainly prove useful later on. Thanks.
 
Freedom is like a dog that barks at the wind. Not good enough for him to come on this forum and post a reply or opiniom in a respectful manner, but tries to come across like he is the supreme holder of knowledge, warped as it is.
 
oh my, freedom cracks me up 😃 He quotes as if he understands what he is quoting.

open a thread for your post freedom; didnt you learn from the first suspension?
 
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