White Nationalism

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Let’s suppose stuff like Stormfront.
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I am against it, I live in the northwest, and there is some of that around here especially in the pan handle of Idaho.

I have to wonder to myself if some of this immigration furor is a byproduct of that.
 
runandsew said:
I am against it, I live in the northwest, and there is some of that around here especially in the pan handle of Idaho.

I have to wonder to myself if some of this immigration furor is a byproduct of that.
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Let’s ask another question: do you admire the culture of europe? Are you white? And is christianity a european religon?
 
I am white; my ancestry would have been English and German. My 8th great grandfather was Lord Baltimore, so we have deep roots in European America, my grandmothers maiden name was vorderbruggen, so there is a lot of German in me as well.
But I don’t admire European culture, I probably admire the Hispanic culture which we have around here in Oregon with all the migrant workers, they seem to have much faith and family values. And as a Catholic, I would say that there is a mixture of culture, especially in my parish, we have the Missionaries of the Holy Spirit, which are from Mexico. I would say IMHO that Protestantism is probably more tied to Europe, than Catholicism is. But that would differ from Parish to Parish.
 
runandsew said:
I am white; my ancestry would have been English and German. My 8th great grandfather was Lord Baltimore, so we have deep roots in European America, my grandmothers maiden name was vorderbruggen, so there is a lot of German in me as well.
But I don’t admire European culture, I probably admire the Hispanic culture which we have around here in Oregon with all the migrant workers, they seem to have much faith and family values. And as a Catholic, I would say that there is a mixture of culture, especially in my parish, we have the Missionaries of the Holy Spirit, which are from Mexico. I would say IMHO that Protestantism is probably more tied to Europe, than Catholicism is. But that would differ from Parish to Parish.
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And tell me, who made Mexico catholic? In what continent is the vatican?
Catholicism is even more european than Protestantism.
And to who that claims not: Austria, Ireland, France, all non-euros, right?
 
EasterRabbit said:
And tell me, who made Mexico catholic? In what continent is the vatican?
Catholicism is even more european than Protestantism.
And to who that claims not: Austria, Ireland, France, all non-euros, right?
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Alot of the early Catholic chruch fathers were from North Africa. But Christianity is suppose to Be about God, not what country you might live in. I am a Catholic american.
Not an American who happens to be Catholic.

Nationalism really began around the 1400’s and 1500’s and was one of the main factors that led to the Protestant reformation, because they didn’t want to be run by an Itialian.

Though National pride is good, the Nationalism of groups like storm front is very evil. and is not from God, but from Satan himself.
If you can’t see this, then I feel very sorry for you.😦
 
I feel I must respond to the idea that Catholicism is a European religion.

It was not in the beginning. It was a middle Eastern religion that spread to engulf most of Asia minor, Europe, and North Africa. It was much more a mediterranian religion than a European one. However, Catholicism does not look to Europe as its ideal state, nor to Europeans as its ideal people. It is a Universal religion, for that is what Catholic means.

Our origins are in the middle east, not Europe. The Vatican is located in Europe yes, but seems to have a vastly different culture and society than the rest of Europe, (It must be this way, the Vatican is populated completely by imigrants, no one is born into the vatican),

I do admire some things that Europe did, but I also admire many other nationalities and Cultures. Catholicism is not, and should not be embroiled in Nationalism. And no one, NO ONE, should judge nationalsim based upon skin color.

It seems you are baiting people by asking many questions here regarding storm front and the white power movement. Surely you know the Church opposes such things. I hope your motives are right.

I must admit, I do not understand the last question.

A lone Raven
 
runandsew said:
Though National pride is good, the Nationalism of groups like storm front is very evil. and is not from God, but from Satan himself.
If you can’t see this, then I feel very sorry for you.😦
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Of course, but europe without christendom is not europe. Try to imagine europe without christianity. It would look alot more like some far east place with pagan mumbo-jumbo.
I feel I must respond to the idea that Catholicism is a European religion.
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It was not in the beginning. It was a middle Eastern religion that spread to engulf most of Asia minor, Europe, and North Africa. It was much more a mediterranian religion than a European one. However, Catholicism does not look to Europe as its ideal state, nor to Europeans as its ideal people. It is a Universal religion, for that is what Catholic means.
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Of course, but it became an insepretable part in the culture of europe. Europeans made Mexico and Brazil catholic. Europeans wared the Crusades. And of course God is above all, but that doen’t constract anything.
I do admire some things that Europe did, but I also admire many other nationalities and Cultures. Catholicism is not, and should not be embroiled in Nationalism. And no one, NO ONE, should judge nationalsim based upon skin color.
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Read above.
It seems you are baiting people by asking many questions here regarding storm front and the white power movement. Surely you know the Church opposes such things. I hope your motives are right.
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I oppose racial hatred, but I am filled with love to the culture of europe, expecially the catholic parts of is. Visit Vienna. Absolutely charming.
I must admit, I do not understand the last question.
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I have used some examples of chrisianity beeing an unseperetable part from the culture of europe. Ireland without it’s nuns, France without gothic churches…it’s not the same.
 
EasterRabbit said:
And tell me, who made Mexico catholic?
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It was a “pre council of Trent” Spanish Catholic Church that brought Christianity to Mexico ( that is why they celebrate their faith in a more lively way that anglo american), but it was Our Lady of Guadalupe who converted the nation.

Again National pride is a good thing, and admiring the good qualities of every culture is also good, but to say that one culture is better or more righteous than another in wrong in my opinion. It is not wrong to have pride in ones white European ancestry, but to say it is superior to others is wrong. I just see white supremacist written all over what I could see on the stormfront website, maybe I am wrong, but that bothers me a great deal if people are using religion to justify and pass on those ideals.
 
I’m not sure how one would compose a “white” nation. Around here, virtually everyone is Scots-Irish; lots of blondes, redheads, light brown hair, blue eyes, green eyes predominate. The quintessential “whites”. Yet, virtually everyone has a bit of Cherokee in him/her. Then there are the Melungeon-descended ones here and there who, depending on who is telling the tale, may have Portugese, Arab, African or some other admixture, along with American Indian. Now and then they have dark-haired, dark-eyed, dark-skinned children along with the “lily white” ones. American “blacks” are thought of as “white” in equatorial Africa, and some believe they are more “white” than “black”. In the old days, (and perhaps now, for all we know) a goodly number of American “blacks” passed for “white”. Southern Italians have a lot of Levantine in them. Do Levantines count as “white”? If appearance is the thing, then Pashtuns, some Iranians, some Kurds, some Turks, many Tadjiks and some Uighurs would qualify. Many Jews would, maybe all of them, depending on the color you are looking for, as would many Palestinians and Syrians. Do Asian Indians count? They are Indo-European after all, notwithstanding that they are often as "black’, or blacker than American “blacks”. My wife is of Alsatian descent. Now, back in Charlemagne’s day, lots of Avars settled in Alsace. Everybody would say she’s “white” by her appearance and ancestry, but is she really “white”, given that the Avars were Turkic (if “Turkic” is even one thing) ? What about Magyars? What about Saami? Are they “white”? Russians and Poles seem to have some Mongol and Tatar in them. Are they white? Are blonde, Spanish descended Mexicans “white” even if they have some Indian in them?

The reality of all this is, I think, that there are indeed “white nations”, “black nations”, “brown nations” and so on, even within one nation like the U.S. People tend to marry people much like themselves, with some intermixture at the margins. If it were not so, we would not be seeing “black” Americans or “white” Mexicans anymore. The whole thing seems kind of irrelevant to me. Anyone who has a compelling interest in maintaining a “white nation” need only be white himself/herself and marry another “white”. Voila! The “white race” is preserved!
 
EasterRabbit said:
Let’s ask another question: do you admire the culture of europe? Are you white? And is christianity a european religon?
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Let’s see. I am white and native american. From Ireland on the mama side and ireland and england on the fathers.
My father was descended from the original Warfields who settled Maryland so i have a long history of euroamerican there and a longer history of european on my mother’s side.

christianity is originally a middle eastern religion, beginning along the shores of Galilee, moving out to Alexandria, North Africa, and Constantinople.

From there to Rome and the rest of the world.

So I would say yes, there is probably some European culture to be found in Catholicism at least. A long with all the rest.

I do not admire any culture in particular. They are all good and bad and all are particularly nasty if they become your reason for living.
 
runandsew said:
It was a “pre council of Trent” Spanish Catholic Church that brought Christianity to Mexico ( that is why they celebrate their faith in a more lively way that anglo american), but it was Our Lady of Guadalupe who converted the nation.

Again National pride is a good thing, and admiring the good qualities of every culture is also good, but to say that one culture is better or more righteous than another in wrong in my opinion. It is not wrong to have pride in ones white European ancestry, but to say it is superior to others is wrong. I just see white supremacist written all over what I could see on the stormfront website, maybe I am wrong, but that bothers me a great deal if people are using religion to justify and pass on those ideals.
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Exactly what I was going to say! I doubt the Europeans would have had as much success if Our Lady hadn’t paid St. Juan Diego a visit. There’s a reason she is patroness of the Americas.

Do I support white nationalism? Well, as a biracial American, I’d be a pretty big hypocrite if I did. I have no problem with someone taking pride in their heritage. I am proud to say that my ancestry is Mexican, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, and German. I enjoy celebrating traditions of those cultures. The problem arises when one feels that one’s culture or race is superior to all others, and groups like Stormfront promote such beliefs. I feel that they are dangerous and completely contrary to Christian beliefs. As for Christianity being a European religion, please stop to consider that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was born in 1st century Palestine to a middle-eastern Jewish woman, was raised by Jewish parents as a Jew, and that Christianity is truly an evolution of Judaism.
 
EasterRabbit said:
What do you think about white nationalism?
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Easter Rabbit,

Any belief system that claims that one group of people is intrinsically better than another group of people is just plain wrong. Any group that uses such a belief in an attempt to suppress or oppress people is evil.

Do you have any specific questions about specific ideas, teachings, or theories of “white nationalism”? Most of us are not familiar with the movement. I tried following your link to “stormfront” from another thread and the site was down.
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Being half-Celt, I have a very difficult time with “white” identity. To me “white culture”, if it can be said to exist at all, represents the Saxons that have spent the better part of the last thousand years trying to subjugate or exterminate my ancestors and friends. To me “white culture” represents the Protestant Orangeman who founded the KKK to oppress and murder Catholics, Jews, blacks, and anyone else who wasn’t “white”. Violence rarely (never?) solves anything, but my gut instinct when I hear people espousing things like “white nationalism”, “white pride”, or “white power” is to react, well… in a fashion to entirely compatible with my Faith.

By the way, this is a very sensitive topic for me right now, as a good friend of mine who I haven’t seen in a year is begining to embrace neo-Nazi idealism…
 
I’m white (tiny bit of Cherokee, tiny bit Semitic somewhere back in there). I no longer admire European culture because it has fled from its Christian roots and is dying.
Christianity is not a European religion, it is a human religion. All men and women were created in the image and likeness of God and He came to earth to redeem ALL of his children. Europe used to have a Christian culture because of its Christian religion. Now the whites there are dying out and Muslims are moving in and slowly will overpopulate them because they do not despise motherhood.
I hate white nationalism. I love the US. Democracy is awesome, not because it’s a white thing but because it supports spiritual freedom and intellectual growth. Because America has decided, like Europe, that its Christian roots are to be despised, we are becoming decadent like Rome and will probably fall before we make it to our 300 year anniversary. I will miss us if i live that long.
I do hate it, however, when people move to my country and refuse to assimilate. We are supposed to be a melting pot. Our different cultures and ideas blend together, using the best from everyone to continue advancing as a civilization. If you want to live in America, do it because you love her and want to use her freedoms to become the best you can. Don’t just use her. It’s a discredit to yourself.
Also, my favorite culture is Catholic culture. We just have so much neat stuff.🙂
 
OPs title and question are about white nationalism, yet the discussion is about European culture and Christianity. What OP really is espousing is white supremacy, the ugliest and most extreme form of racism. Nationalism refers to a movement to unite disparate ethnic and social groups within a geographic region into one political entity. One can study the rise of modern Germany to see the positive aspects of nation building degenerate into the obscenity that was National Socialism. History has passed judgement on that experiment. Unfortunately much of modern Europe, including the countries who were allied in defeating the Nazis, seem poised to espouse the very worst features of that philosophy including eugenics and racial cleansing.
 
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