white wine

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msproule:
I wish not to belabor the point but I believe you are examining only one aspect of this; I understand that both would be clearly visible if spilled from a short distance onto the altar cloth.

However, if a sufficient quantity is spilled onto a tile or marble floor, there will be splashing. Clean-up is not easy, especially when there are scores of people around who may not be immediately aware of what has happened. I have witnessed this on at least one occasion.
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I have seen wine (not the Precious Blood – thanks be to God) accidently dumped (at least half a gallon) onto our reddish clay tile floor. You couldn’t see it because it was red – only because it was a liquid…
 
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Chalice:
I have seen wine (not the Precious Blood – thanks be to God) accidently dumped (at least half a gallon) onto our reddish clay tile floor. You couldn’t see it because it was red – only because it was a liquid…
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Yes I see how either could present a problem on a darker floor. In the example to which I refer, the floor tile is nearly white.

Unfortunately in that incident, it was the Precious Blood that spilled.
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In Christ,
Michael
 
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msproule:
Coincidentally, the few times that I have witnessed the use of any wine other than red during Mass, it has been contained within decorative, presumably crystal, glasses. It is almost like they are trying to draw attention to the fact that it is not red!
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Funny you should mention that – they actually were using glass vessels. I didn’t mention it in my original post because I only wanted to raise one issue at a time, plus there is already a thread going about appropriate material for chalices.
 
When I was a child and the only mass was in latin, I only remember the wine being white. At least when i could see it from the pews in the glass cruets.

As for fortitied wine, maybe Ciroc grape vodka. Ouch.
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There are several places on Catholic Answers which say the wine used cannot be grape juice. It was recently pointed out to me that Mustum is grape juice which has not undergone pasteurization (which means it technically is fermenting) and is valid matter for communion. Thought this was an appropriate place to put this little tid bit.
 
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Forest-Pine:
There are several places on Catholic Answers which say the wine used cannot be grape juice. It was recently pointed out to me that Mustum is grape juice which has not undergone pasteurization (which means it technically is fermenting) and is valid matter for communion. Thought this was an appropriate place to put this little tid bit.
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As soon as fermentation begins, it is arrested by freezing the juice. It’s still valid, but it contains next to no alcohol.
 
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mercygate:
And it must be fortified with a grape product. No corn, barley, or potato spirits!
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Wines can certainly be blended, but no other “fortification” is allowed.

Amazingly enough Brother Dom Perignon is the man responsible for Champagne – sugar is added during the fermentation process.
 
In Germany only white wine is used for the Mass. A priest I asked said he had never seen red wine used.
 
I know a priest who I believe was celebrating mass while on a trip and he used cherry wine. After realizing the wine was not grape wine, he ended up redoing the mass with grape wine, because of the cherry wine was invalid matter.

matt
 
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