Who actually created the Novus Ordo Missae?

[Prodigal1984]

Who made it?
Who decided what to drop from the prayers of the priest to the rubrics of the mass?
Was this done by the Vatican itself or just secular liturgists and theologians?
Why was the Protestant ending of the Lords prayer added to the mass?
I’m just curious because Ottaviani seemed so surprised at its content and he was pretty inside in the hierarchy of the Church. The 25th was the 50th anniversary of that intervention he wrote.

 

[twf]

St Paul VI established a special committee called the Consilium which drafted the Novus Ordo Missal based on extensive research, drawing on the Church’s rich patrimony of liturgical texts. The reform was, of course, ordered by the Second Vatican Council, but on the academic side, the work began decades earlier through the Liturgical Movement.

 

[HopkinsReb]

Why was the Protestant ending of the Lords prayer added to the mass?

This one’s pretty easy:

The Catholic ending was restored.

The Protestants didn’t make up adding the doxology to the Lord’s Prayer. It’s an ancient liturgical form of the Catholic Church that was removed at some point. Protestants have it in there in part because its use was so ubiquitous in the Catholic Church that it got added to some Biblical manuscripts which were used to translate the Bible for Protestant translations.

Or, to paraphrase a commercial, “I learned the Doxology from watching you, dad!”

 

[Prodigal1984]

It isn’t in the earliest mss of the Bible nor in Catholic Bibles.
The only early writing I see referring to it being said is the Didache.

 

[HopkinsReb]

It isn’t in the earliest mss of the Bible nor in Catholic Bibles.

I didn’t say it was. I said that it was in the specific manuscripts they translated.

The only early writing I see referring to it being said is the Didache .

Kind of an important writing. Proves my point that that usage has been around since the beginning.

Do you have some sort of problem with saying the Doxology? Do you think it is somehow heretical?

 

[Prodigal1984]

Do you have some sort of problem with saying the Doxology? Do you think it is somehow heretical

Not at all. And I agree the Didache is a very important early Church writing. Could be listed with probably five or so other writings of the Church that were viewed as scripture by some Fathers and has nothing heretical, just the wisdom of the Church said it was not Inspired by the hand of God. I would say some other writings in that category would be the Shepherd of Hermas, the Epistle of Barnabas, 1 Clement etc.

I just don’t really understand why it was added to the liturgy when it hadn’t been for so long. It isn’t actually part of the Lords Prayer biblically. Maybe Church tradition.

 

[edwest211]

The best answer is to compare differences.

Index Lectionum: Scripture Usage in Roman Catholic Masses Before and After Vatican II - Homiletic & Pastoral Review

Matthew P Hazell & Dr. Peter A Kwasniewski (Foreword), Index Lectionum: A Comparative Table of Readings for the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of

www.hprweb.com

 

[HopkinsReb]

I just don’t really understand why it was added to the liturgy when it hadn’t been for so long.

One could just as well ask why it got removed when it had been used for so long.

It isn’t actually part of the Lords Prayer biblically.

If I’m remembering correctly, it’s not part of it in the OF, either; it’s a congregational response to whatever the priest says immediately after the Our Father.

 

[Prodigal1984]

The best answer is to compare differences.

Thanks! That’s interesting! I never knew technically the Gradual could still be used in the OF instead of the Responsory Psalm. I wish that was utilized.

 

[edwest211]

You’re welcome.

 

[Prodigal1984]

If I’m remembering correctly, it’s not part of it in the OF, either; it’s a congregational response to whatever the priest says immediately after the Our Father.

Yah you are right. The Deliver us Lord prayer from after the Lords Prayer and then the Doxology.
Just interesting you only see it in the Liturgy of the Mass. I don’t think you ever see the Doxology in the Liturgy of the Hours.

 

[HopkinsReb]

Fun little factoid: traditionally in Anglo-Catholic circles, the rule is to include the doxology in general but to omit it if the Our Father follows the Kyrie.

 

[Vico]

HopkinsReb:

If I’m remembering correctly, it’s not part of it in the OF, either; it’s a congregational response to whatever the priest says immediately after the Our Father.

Yah you are right. The Deliver us Lord prayer from after the Lords Prayer and then the Doxology.
Just interesting you only see it in the Liturgy of the Mass. I don’t think you ever see the Doxology in the Liturgy of the Hours.

The Gloria Patri (a.k.a., Lesser Doxology) begins every hour,

Morning Prayer (Lauds) Universalis: Morning Prayer (Lauds)

INTRODUCTION

O God, come to our aid.
O Lord, make haste to help us.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son
and to the Holy Spirit,
as it was in the beginning,
is now, and ever shall be,
world without end.
Amen. Alleluia.

 

[HopkinsReb]

Prodigal1984:

HopkinsReb:

If I’m remembering correctly, it’s not part of it in the OF, either; it’s a congregational response to whatever the priest says immediately after the Our Father.

Yah you are right. The Deliver us Lord prayer from after the Lords Prayer and then the Doxology.
Just interesting you only see it in the Liturgy of the Mass. I don’t think you ever see the Doxology in the Liturgy of the Hours.

The Gloria Patri (a.k.a., Lesser Doxology) is in Morning Prayer.

Morning Prayer (Lauds) Universalis: Morning Prayer (Lauds)

INTRODUCTION

O God, come to our aid.
O Lord, make haste to help us.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son
and to the Holy Spirit,
as it was in the beginning,
is now, and ever shall be,
world without end.
Amen. Alleluia.

I think he means you don’t see it appended to the Our Father.

 

[Prodigal1984]

I think he means you don’t see it appended to the Our Father.

Yah. That’s what I mean. And sure there’s Canticles you see in the LOTH and the Mass that are unique to each. For example, on Sundays, Solemnities, and Feasts, the Gloria is said in the Liturgy of Mass. The Te Deum is said in the LOTH following the Office on these days.
However I do believe the Te Deum is also cited in some Gospel Acclamations throughout the year at Mass. I don’t think the Gloria is ever used in the LOTH, but I could be wrong.