Who believes this about the Canon of Scripture?

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I am distressed that my free flow writing has confused you and you say “I have no idea what you are writing”. It is just as well not to waste your time explain my writing style. You ask “is this a song”? There is mention of a song but it is not a Psalm. I suppose you could sing it and then it would be but on to the point.

I appreciate your question. The answer is near you. You don’t have to go up to heaven to retrieve it nor to the depths to find it…it is closer to your lips than you think.

Let me ask you this…

If the Roman Catholic Church DID NOT give us the Bible when did whomever give it to us do that and who were they? You may inform me as to what you seem to ask questions about. To ask this question means that you should give me some insight to this question as I know what history teaches. I trust God. I trust Jesus. I trust the Bible and love Paul…Paul says…

So I want to be able to look in the world and Know about God and His work including the Bible because I am without excuse not to know. I want to know the truth because I do not want to incur the wrath of God nor do I want to suppress the truth.

Guide me to the truth of where the Bible came from so that I may be without excuse and not incur wrath by suppressing the truth.🙂

If you provide me some truth that I may profess then I will stand and shout the truth and not suppress it and be free of wrath.🙂
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So you have no answer for the question I asked?
 
Calgar said:
So you have no answer for the question I asked?
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Calgar,

This is Catholic Answers. I suppose I would say you do not like the answer I gave you as I did provide an answer. Search this site for the origins of the Bible. You ask a question as to what I and every Catholic knows and believes. You ask a question that many Protestants know and understand. I believe that self discovery makes a lasting impression and I believe in repentance.

Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repent just means change your mind. Now notice that it was not I am going to make you repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. This is just a request to repent.

As a Bible believing Christian I suggest you change your mind. I cannot change it. You look for the answer that I have for to give it to you would not change your mind as I can not make anyone repent.

You repent.🙂
 
No problem.

You started the thread, so I assumed you wanted a discussion. 🙂

Good day.
 
The Church…not one man or two, but many chose the books of the Bible in the Holy Spirit that would feed the heart and soul of all men universally, in all times and locations and events. The Gospel of John took more time to verify its authenticity and the Book of Hebrews took 200 years to add.

So most of the books of the Bible were assembled by 100 AD, as well as basic format of liturgy throughout the Christian world, the episcopal mode of administration, and the Apostles Creed.

We have a family member who joined Mark Driscoll’s Mars Hill Church in Seattle, and he is either teaching falsehoods about our faith or speaking badly of our priesthood ‘who wear skirts and can’t have sex’. He is teaching them Constantine started the Catholic Church as well. He is leading many souls away from the truth.
 
Calgar said:
If the Roman Catholic Church gave us the Bible, when did they do that?
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Hello, Calgar. My first post in this thread, on the first page, has two brief videos on the history of the New Testament if you’re seriously interested in engaging the question. It essentially illustrates the fact that it took the early Church centuries to compile and decide on which writings were to be considered canonical.
 
Calgar…

The books that are in the Bible…the Old and New Testaments…

Where are you coming from?

I just visited CARM and left…the bigotry against Roman Catholics, while side stepping the Orthodox is awful…they see our faith through an image and the mockery and blaspheming of the sacred.

That behavior is not in the Bible.
 
KathleenGee said:
Calgar…

The books that are in the Bible…the Old and New Testaments…

Where are you coming from?

I just visited CARM and left…the bigotry against Roman Catholics, while side stepping the Orthodox is awful…they see our faith through an image and the mockery and blaspheming of the sacred.

That behavior is not in the Bible.
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Calgar just needs to “Metanoite”.🙂
 
KathleenGee said:
Calgar…

The books that are in the Bible…the Old and New Testaments…

Where are you coming from?

I just visited CARM and left…the bigotry against Roman Catholics, while side stepping the Orthodox is awful…they see our faith through an image and the mockery and blaspheming of the sacred.

That behavior is not in the Bible.
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I’m asking a sincere question.

Are you intimating that I’m from CARM? I don’t even know what that is, but I’m going to be charitable and assume you aren’t trying to say that I have anyting to do with it.
 
Calgar said:
For what, exactly?
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Calgar,

Your posting this means you have an opinion that is at odds with the Roman Catholic Church providing us the Bible. This is based on your posting. This is your mindset.
If the Roman Catholic Church gave us the Bible, when did they do that?
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I retrieved this from Post #18 Re: Honest Question: How does Sola Scriptura not REQUIRE tradition?
“One thing must be emphatically stated. The New Testament books did not become authoritative for the Church because they were formally included in a canonical list; on the contrary, the Church included them in her canon because she already regarded them as divinely inspired, recognizing their innate worth and generally apostolic authority, direct or indirect. The first ecclesiastical councils to classify the canonical books were both held in North Africa-at Hippo Regius in 393 and at Carthage in 397-but what these councils did was not to impose something new upon the Christian communities but to codify what was already the general practice of these communities” (F. F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?. 1960
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Hence the books we have as Scripture were inspired by God and recognized such by man.
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So if you believe that the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Bible then the only way to gain acceptance is to change your mind and only you can do that.

FF Bruce as you know is a Protestant Scholar that dances around the issue by saying that they were recognized. If they were recognized then realize that they also recognized the deuterocanonicals at Hippo and Carthage and if you don’t believe that then follow that posting on Tradition where I posted the summary from both those councils. Metanoite.

You need to Metanoite. I can’t do it.
 
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Stick to the topic, not each other.
 
As per the OP, I don’t believe that God physically wrote the NT. He wrote the 10 commandments on stone tablets, but I think that was the last writing by the finger of God. I understand that men wrote the books of the NT under guidance of the Holy Spirit.

This is the problem, many acknowledge that men wrote the NT under guidance of the HS, but refuse to acknowledge how the canon was discerned.

CCC:" IV. The Canon of Scripture

120 It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books."

Until other proof is given regarding the origins of sacred scripture, I will stick with the above quote.😉
 
Newsy said:
As per the OP, I don’t believe that God physically wrote the NT. He wrote the 10 commandments on stone tablets, but I think that was the last writing by the finger of God. I understand that men wrote the books of the NT under guidance of the Holy Spirit.

This is the problem, many acknowledge that men wrote the NT under guidance of the HS, but refuse to acknowledge how the canon was discerned.

CCC:" IV. The Canon of Scripture

120 It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books."

Until other proof is given regarding the origins of sacred scripture, I will stick with the above quote.😉
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I find it interesting that our departed brethren quoted FF Bruce to say that the Church did not produce the canon they just recognized what was already there. I don’t know how an intelligent human being can accept that.

All Christians acknowledge as you say, men wrote the Scripture. Ok so that is an action that was Holy Spirit guided. Those thoughts were penned however many thoughts that were not penned were as guided and resulted in actions. The entire New Testament is a record of actions and those actions were under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

Take many steps into the future as Protestants proclaim that Miracles are abundant then and now, healings, conversions just like in the NT. So the conclusion to be drawn is the Christ is alive and the Holy Spirit is still with us.

Yet when it comes to recognizing, discerning what was already there and investigation of that discernment uncovers facts such as those books that were discerned not to be included this is not considered by Protestants to be guided, just recognized. The tragedy is that the Deuterocanonicals were also part of that recognition and the Protestants pulled those out after they were recognized, discerned as already there.

I have asked this before and know the answer. Who removed the DC that were already there and were recognized and discerned. This is the situation that should cause some cognitave dissonance in trying to accept the Protestant paradigm.

I insist that the Church did not declare Scripture as Scripture they just recognized it. Ok.

Let’s go with that. Did you know that the DC were part of what they recognized? Oh no the Church that recognized Scripture added them.

Are you sure…Oh yes…

Well if you were to discover this to be untrue would that cause you to think?

Gotta go to my Bible study, my pastor is calling…see ya…🙂
 
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