who can forgive sin

[Catholicnow]

who can forgive sin

God

 

[tweetymom]

God

Amen!!

 

[rev_kevin]

amen Rev and thank you for the prayers. I really need to tell you it is about my family and the hatred that is going on and it is so sad.

Sorry to hear that. Hatred can destroy a family and is a hard thing to deal with. But please don’t hate back. Show them that you are better then that. Show them what it means to be a true Christian. Show them that God is living in you and that no matter what you love them. Now I’m not saying it will be easy to do, it may be one of the hardest things to do. We all have a point where when crossed we go off. Thats human nature and sometimes it can be good, It can make someone think just what they are doing is wrong, Now I’m not telling you to pop of at them, but if you do, do it in a Christian way. I pray that the hatred goes away from your family and that you all can live in peace and harmony like a family is meant to.

 

[rev_kevin]

God

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I’d be interested in reading the Protestant view of why God told the Apostles, ‘what sins they forgive would be forgiven and what sins they retained would be retained’.

 

[tweetymom]

Sorry to hear that. Hatred can destroy a family and is a hard thing to deal with. But please don’t hate back. Show them that you are better then that. Show them what it means to be a true Christian. Show them that God is living in you and that no matter what you love them. Now I’m not saying it will be easy to do, it may be one of the hardest things to do. We all have a point where when crossed we go off. Thats human nature and sometimes it can be good, It can make someone think just what they are doing is wrong, Now I’m not telling you to pop of at them, but if you do, do it in a Christian way. I pray that the hatred goes away from your family and that you all can live in peace and harmony like a family is meant to.

Thanks Rev. I really am showing Gods love to them No not poping at them just staying away I will send you a pm.

 

[rev_kevin]

I’d be interested in reading the Protestant view of why God told the Apostles, ‘what sins they forgive would be forgiven and what sins they retained would be retained’.

This has been hashed out many times here.
I don’t think Jesus was just talking about the apostles/disciples that they were the only ones. I think Jesus said this for all of us.
If someone sins against you and that person comes to you and askes for your forgiveness, you have one of two posions. 1) to forgive them or 2) not to forgive them. If you forgive them and the confess the sin to God, God will forgive them of that sin, but if you don’t forgive them then when they confess the sin to God it will not be forgiven.
Now a good Christian will forgive any sin that someone has done to them. For instance when the late Pope was shot he went to the person who shot him and forgave him. That is what a true Christian does. They don’t hold a grudge. Now if you don’t forgive them what kind of Christian are you. Didn’t Jesus when asked how many times should I forgive someone 7 times, Jesus said, 7 times 70. We should alway forgive even when someone tried to take your life.

 

[tweetymom]

This has been hashed out many times here.
I don’t think Jesus was just talking about the apostles/disciples that they were the only ones. I think Jesus said this for all of us.
If someone sins against you and that person comes to you and askes for your forgiveness, you have one of two posions. 1) to forgive them or 2) not to forgive them. If you forgive them and the confess the sin to God, God will forgive them of that sin, but if you don’t forgive them then when they confess the sin to God it will not be forgiven.
Now a good Christian will forgive any sin that someone has done to them. For instance when the late Pope was shot he went to the person who shot him and forgave him. That is what a true Christian does. They don’t hold a grudge. Now if you don’t forgive them what kind of Christian are you. Didn’t Jesus when asked how many times should I forgive someone 7 times, Jesus said, 7 times 70. We should alway forgive even when someone tried to take your life.

Very good explanation and so true.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

This has been hashed out many times here.
I don’t think Jesus was just talking about the apostles/disciples that they were the only ones. I think Jesus said this for all of us.
If someone sins against you and that person comes to you and askes for your forgiveness, you have one of two posions. 1) to forgive them or 2) not to forgive them. If you forgive them and the confess the sin to God, God will forgive them of that sin, but if you don’t forgive them then when they confess the sin to God it will not be forgiven.
Now a good Christian will forgive any sin that someone has done to them. For instance when the late Pope was shot he went to the person who shot him and forgave him. That is what a true Christian does. They don’t hold a grudge. Now if you don’t forgive them what kind of Christian are you. Didn’t Jesus when asked how many times should I forgive someone 7 times, Jesus said, 7 times 70. We should alway forgive even when someone tried to take your life.

Rev. Kevin,

With all due respect, Christ only said that to the men He chose and appointed, prior to ascending into heaven. Those were men He chose and appointed over His Church. Also, when Christ said to forgive 7 times 70, He was specifically answering Peter’s question.

When He taught the Lord’s Prayer, He was speaking to the ‘multitudes’. Then He leaves no room for not forgiving.

 

[tweetymom]

Rev. Kevin,

With all due respect, Christ only said that to the men He chose and appointed, prior to ascending into heaven. Those were men He chose and appointed over His Church. Also, when Christ said to forgive 7 times 70, He was specifically answering Peter’s question.

When He taught the Lord’s Prayer, He was speaking to the ‘multitudes’. Then He leaves no room for not forgiving.

But what you fail to realize Jesus was talking to all believers.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

But what you fail to realize Jesus was talking to all believers.

When He told Peter to forgive 7 times 70, He had just finished telling them, ‘whatsoever they bound on earth, would be bound in heaven and whatsover they loosed on earth, would be loosed in heaven’. Please explain how that applies to ALL believers.

I really believe the context is derived by reading who the Lord was speaking too. He did not make the multitudes all Apostles, prophets or doctors of the Church. He chose and appointed certain men over His Church.

Why isn’t there one instance where Christ spoke such things to everyone, or the multitudes? There’s a reason, I believe and I believe to read it to mean He was speaking to everyone is reading something into scriptures that just is not there.

 

[Indyann]

This has been hashed out many times here.
I don’t think Jesus was just talking about the apostles/disciples that they were the only ones. I think Jesus said this for all of us.
If someone sins against you and that person comes to you and askes for your forgiveness, you have one of two posions. 1) to forgive them or 2) not to forgive them. If you forgive them and the confess the sin to God, God will forgive them of that sin, but if you don’t forgive them then when they confess the sin to God it will not be forgiven.
Now a good Christian will forgive any sin that someone has done to them. For instance when the late Pope was shot he went to the person who shot him and forgave him. That is what a true Christian does. They don’t hold a grudge. Now if you don’t forgive them what kind of Christian are you. Didn’t Jesus when asked how many times should I forgive someone 7 times, Jesus said, 7 times 70. We should alway forgive even when someone tried to take your life.

Your answer makes no sense at all. So, you are giving one human, the one who doesn’t forgive, the power to prevent God from forgiving.

There are many who hold a grudge and do not forgive. That has no bearing at all as to whether God forgives a penitant or not.

 

[tweetymom]

When He told Peter to forgive 7 times 70, He had just finished telling them, ‘whatsoever they bound on earth, would be bound in heaven and whatsover they loosed on earth, would be loosed in heaven’. Please explain how that applies to ALL believers.

I really believe the context is derived by reading who the Lord was speaking too. He did not make the multitudes all Apostles, prophets or doctors of the Church. He chose and appointed certain men over His Church.

Why isn’t there one instance where Christ spoke such things to everyone, or the multitudes? There’s a reason, I believe and I believe to read it to mean He was speaking to everyone is reading something into scriptures that just is not there.

well I believe that Jesus was talking to us all. Sorry you don’t.Oh and thatsnot a slap against the CC. Just don’t believe it. Oh and I think Rev explained it pretty well.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

well I believe that Jesus was talking to us all. Sorry you don’t.Oh and thatsnot a slap against the CC. Just don’t believe it. Oh and I think Rev explained it pretty well.

Then please explain how ALL believers are to apply ‘whatsoever they bound on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsoever they loose on earth will be loosed in heaven’,

And, you don’t have to be sorry for me. I think it’s important read the stories in the Bible, in the context of which they are written. As I said, to interpret them differently is reading something into scriptures that just isn’t there. If we were supposed to read everything He spoke as if He were speaking directly to each and everyone of us, wouldn’t the inspired word of God say so?

 

[rev_kevin]

Your answer makes no sense at all. So, you are giving one human, the one who doesn’t forgive, the power to prevent God from forgiving.

There are many who hold a grudge and do not forgive. That has no bearing at all as to whether God forgives a penitant or not.

Sorry it makes not sense to you. No matter how you put it God is the final judge. Its all up to him. If God see fit to forgive even if you don’t, that is God’s choice. If you forgive him and God don’t its his choice. No one can prevent God from doing anything, Oh I guess thats not true the apostles can.

 

[tweetymom]

Then please explain how ALL believers are to apply ‘whatsoever they bound on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsoever they loose on earth will be loosed in heaven’,

And, you don’t have to be sorry for me. I think it’s important read the stories in the Bible, in the context of which they are written. As I said, to interpret them differently is reading something into scriptures that just isn’t there. If we were supposed to read everything He spoke as if He were speaking directly to each and everyone of us, wouldn’t the inspired word of God say so?

If someone asks us for forgiveness that weforgive them and it is bound in heaven.

It doesn’t say it it was only written for the CC either. I do feel sorry for you, cause you always seem so angry. I can’t feel any Love in your posts, but oh well you are what you are. And Peace and Gods love to you.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Sorry it makes not sense to you. No matter how you put it God is the final judge. Its all up to him. If God see fit to forgive even if you don’t, that is God’s choice. If you forgive him and God don’t its his choice. No one can prevent God from doing anything, Oh I guess thats not true the apostles can.

Rev. Kevin,

Please explain how each and every individual is to apply, ‘whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsover you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven’.

Not only do we have to read His audience when He spoke, we have to understand the culture and the era that Christ spoke what He did.

BINDING AND LOOSING

Rabbinical term for “forbidding and permitting.” The expression “asar” (to bind herself by a bond) is used in the Bible (Num. xxx. 3 et seq.) for a vow which prevents one from using a thing. It implies binding an object by a powerful spell in order to prevent its use (see Targ. to Ps. lviii. 6; Shab. 81b, for “magic spell”). The corresponding Aramean “shera” and Hebrew “hittir” (for loosing the prohibitive spell) have no parallel in the Bible.

The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees. Under Queen Alexandra, the Pharisees, says Josephus (“B J.” i, 5, § 2), “became the administrators of all public affairs so as to be empowered to banish and readmit whom they pleased, as well as to loose and to bind.” This does not mean that, as the learned men, they merely decided what, according to the Law, was forbidden or allowed, but that they possessed and exercised the power of tying or untying a thing by the spell of their divine authority, just as they could, by the power vested in them, pronounce and revoke an anathema upon a person. The various schools had the power “to bind and to loose”; that is, to forbid and to permit (Ḥag. 3b); and they could bind any day by declaring it a fast-day (Meg. Ta’an. xxii.; Ta’an. 12a; Yer. Ned. i. 36c, d). This power and authority, vested in the rabbinical body of each age or in the Sanhedrin (see Authority), received its ratification and final sanction from the celestial court of justice (Sifra, Emor, ix.; Mak. 23b).

In the New Testament.

In this sense Jesus, when appointing his disciples to be his successors, used the familiar formula (Matt. xvi. 19, xviii. 18). By these words he virtually invested them with the same authority as that which he found belonging to the scribes and Pharisees who “bind heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but will not move them with one of their fingers”; that is, “loose them,” as they have the power to do (Matt. xxiii. 2-4). In the same sense, in the second epistle of Clement to James II. (“Clementine Homilies,” Introduction), Peter is represented as having appointed Clement as his successor, saying: “I communicate to him the power of binding and loosing so that, with respect to everything which he shall ordain in the earth, it shall be decreed in the heavens; for he shall bind what ought to be bound and loose what ought to be loosed as knowing the rule of the church.” Quite different from this Judaic and ancient view of the apostolic power of binding and loosing is the one expressed in John xx. 23, where Jesus is represented as having said to his disciples after they had received the Holy Spirit: “Whosesoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained.” It is this view which, adopted by Tertullian and all the church fathers, invested the head of the Christian Church with the power to forgive sins, the “clavis ordinis,” “the key-power of the Church.”

 

[eucharisteo]

Rev. Kevin,
Do you ever sleep?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

If someone asks us for forgiveness that weforgive them and it is bound in heaven.

It doesn’t say it it was only written for the CC either. I do feel sorry for you, cause you always seem so angry. I can’t feel any Love in your posts, but oh well you are what you are. And Peace and Gods love to you.

I do not mean to come off as angry. Could it be that because I do not agree with your interpretational ‘methods’ you think it sounds angry? Is it because I do not and will not agree with your ‘private’ interpretation?

You seem like you have a grudge against the Catholic Church. You rarely miss an opportunity to invalidate it. I have read many of your posts and cannot remember you ever agreeing with any aspect of the Church. There was only one Church. Which Church has survived since the beginning? It’s really that simple. So, scriptures doesn’t use the term Catholic, where does it teach for us to read and interpret scriptures for ourselves? Where does scriptures teach it is the ‘final authority’? It’s much easier to connect the Catholic Church to the early Church than the teachings of ‘sola scriptura’ or private interpretation…

Again, don’t feel sorry for me. I feel the Holy Spirit has revealed this interpretation to me, through the Church Christ established.

Now, as I said, you must read in the context of who Christ was speaking too and the era and culture in which THEY lived. Please read my previous post and see that your view of ‘binding and loosing’ does not fit the Jewish culture, as explained in the Jewish encylopedia that I used to give you the explanation of ‘binding and loosing’.

 

[tweetymom]

I do not mean to come off as angry. Could it be that because I do not agree with your interpretational ‘methods’ you think it sounds angry? Is it because I do not and will not agree with your ‘private’ interpretation?

Again, don’t feel sorry for me. I feel the Holy Spirit has revealed this interpretation to me, through the Church Christ established.

Now, as I said, you must read in the context of who Christ was speaking too and the era and culture in which THEY lived. Please read my previous post and see that your view of ‘binding and loosing’ does not fit the Jewish culture, as explained in the Jewish encylopedia that I used to give you the explanation of ‘binding and loosing’.

No it is not because you do not agree, you are the same way with everyone who believes differently. It is not a private interpertation, it is by the Holy Spirit. If you belive what you believe all peace to you,you are not very loving towards anyone.