Who can give a homily?

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plato3 said:
Our bishop gave permission for the deacon candidates to reflect at weekday Mass,
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Now the question of the day is

When did the Pope give your bishop permission to give the deacon canidate permission to do that?
 
I don’t know. When our bishop met him during the Ad Lumina visit-I was not there.
 
plato3 said:
I don’t know. When our bishop met him during the Ad Lumina visit-I was not there.
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that’s interesting, because Redemptionis Sacramentum forbade Seminarians from doing any preaching at all during Mass.

How did a diaconal student rate over a seminarian

( FYI, I’m a diaconal student myself. We don’t preach at Mass until we’re Ordained. Our training comes from class work and we gather with the seminarians to give and critique reflections outside of Mass)
 
PhilotheaZ said:
I don’t see how this is possible. The following excerpt (bold emphasis is mine) is from the instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum, issued by the Vatican in March 2004. Pope John Paul II “ordered it to be published and to be observed immediately by all concerned”:

[64.] The homily, which is given in the course of the celebration of Holy Mass and is a part of the Liturgy itself,142 “should ordinarily be given by the Priest celebrant himself. **He may entrust it to a concelebrating Priest or occasionally, according to circumstances, to a Deacon, but never to a layperson.**143 In particular cases and for a just cause, the homily may even be given by a Bishop or a Priest who is present at the celebration but cannot concelebrate”.144

[65.] It should be borne in mind that any previous norm that may have admitted non-ordained faithful to give the homily during the Eucharistic celebration is to be considered abrogated by the norm of canon 767 §1.145 This practice is reprobated, so that it cannot be permitted to attain the force of custom.

[66.] The prohibition of the admission of laypersons to preach within the Mass applies also to seminarians, students of theological disciplines, and those who have assumed the function of those known as “pastoral assistants”; nor is there to be any exception for any other kind of layperson, or group, or community, or association.146
A seminarian is a layperson. The practice of seminarians giving a homily at Mass has further been specifically prohibited. It can’t be much plainer than that. So until your friend is ordained a deacon, he should not give a homily at Mass. (He might possibly give a talk in other situations, e.g., at a retreat outside the celebration of Mass.)
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The foregoing would seem to answer the question. In short, the young Seminarian cannot give a homily.
 
PhilipCal said:
The foregoing would seem to answer the question. In short, the young Seminarian cannot give a homily.
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And yet, we seem to have bishops who think they can allow diaconal students to do what seminarians cannot? 🤷
 
Brendan said:
No. The woman would have to give the speech after Communion during the time reserved for announcemnts.
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What should I do if I ever experience anything other than the woman speaking after communion?

I’m asking because… well… it’s something that I’m afraid will happen (for good reason… )

I know that very often, the people in the pews do not know why these times are for the priest or the deacon, because they go to some one’s church, and it’s allowed.

Let’s face it: we have Bishops all over the place giving some permissions, and then, the parish priest may take it a step beyond what he was given permission to do, and then, those in the pews ‘see’ something else.

I hate fuzzies. Give me black and white, and I can work with it!
 
There’s no fuzzy about what’s allowed. What to do is a bit fuzzy. The following procedure is the right path if you need to do something about it. First, talk to the pastor. Second, write to the bishop. Third, write to the Sacred Congregation for the Liturgy. Try the Vatican website for the address.
 
Apryl said:
What should I do if I ever experience anything other than the woman speaking after communion?

I’m asking because… well… it’s something that I’m afraid will happen (for good reason… )
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You and I are in the same Archdiocese. Write a letter to Cardinal Maida, referencing Redemptionis Sacramentum.

+Maida is resonably good about following up on issues like that.

He’s not a pro-active as I would like, but when such abuses are brought to his attention, he will work to correct them.
 
Brendan said:
You and I are in the same Archdiocese. Write a letter to Cardinal Maida, referencing Redemptionis Sacramentum.

+Maida is resonably good about following up on issues like that.

He’s not a pro-active as I would like, but when such abuses are brought to his attention, he will work to correct them.
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Writing to Cardinal Maida has been suggested to me before (I was discussing this with one of my cousins who is in AoD also)

However, I need to discuss this with the Pastor.

This is something that I happen to dread. Reason? I have a LIST of things that I want to discuss with him. I don’t know about you, but when I hear ‘I need to talk to you’, I feel like I’m being taken into the Principal’s Office.

I don’t want to ‘chastise’ my Pastor, but he is the one I need to address this with before I take it to the Cardinal. I just don’t want to. But I know that I need to.

Besides, I have other parish activities that I think should be brought to the attention of Adam Cardinal Maida. There is one church in particular that I jokingly refer to as ‘Pentacostal-Apostolic Roman Catholic Church of God in Christ’ because of the things I have seen many times over many years. However, that parish is bulging at the seams and has all sorts of outreach going on from those folx that I don’t believe are following what I believe Catholicism is… and who am I?

Oh, yeah, I’m one of God’s Children, and I need to do my job and let people know.

… now if someone could just START this letter to my Parish Priest, I would have it done.
 
Apryl said:
Writing to Cardinal Maida has been suggested to me before (I was discussing this with one of my cousins who is in AoD also)

However, I need to discuss this with the Pastor.

This is something that I happen to dread. Reason? I have a LIST of things that I want to discuss with him. I don’t know about you, but when I hear ‘I need to talk to you’, I feel like I’m being taken into the Principal’s Office.
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It is tough to talk to the pastor, they will often have justifications that sound plausable.

In the case of lay homilists, they often give a short introduction of the speaker and call THAT the homily, and anything the speaker says will be called ‘reflection’, not a ‘homily’. And you are expected to believe that a simple name change changes the essence.

Such a thing is not the view of the Church, and it’s not the view of Cardinal Maida.

In this case, I would honestly recommend going to Cardinal Maida first. In that way, your pastor would be talking to another priest (most likely Msgr Kaska, the Cardinal’s Secretary) and you won’t have to worry about not knowing the correct theological terms.

On the down side, I know of several priests who will be told by the Cardinal to stop certain practices, but continue anyway. :mad:
 
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