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I belong to a prayer group in my parish in NY and some of the other members insist that if a Mormon or a muslim are preached the Gospel and do not believe they can’t go to heaven. I l;ooked in My catechism and am having trouble finding the answer that I believe is true That God and God alone decides who goes to heaven and even upon death a person is given a chance to accept Our Lord am I wrong?🤷
 
I belong to a prayer group in my parish in NY and some of the other members insist that if a Mormon or a muslim are preached the Gospel and do not believe they can’t go to heaven. I l;ooked in My catechism and am having trouble finding the answer that I believe is true That God and God alone decides who goes to heaven and even upon death a person is given a chance to accept Our Lord am I wrong?🤷
After death there is the individual’s judgement before God. As to who can go to Heaven, whomever God allows in should go.
 
I belong to a prayer group in my parish in NY and some of the other members insist that if a Mormon or a muslim are preached the Gospel and do not believe they can’t go to heaven. I l;ooked in My catechism and am having trouble finding the answer that I believe is true That God and God alone decides who goes to heaven and even upon death a person is given a chance to accept Our Lord am I wrong?🤷
Only God actually knows. However, Catholics can be morally confident that they will be saved if they die in a state of grace. That cannot be said for non-Catholics, in particular those who know about Christ and his Church (the Catholic Church) but reject it.
Those who live a life according to God’s will without realising it (i.e. those in invincible ignorance) may be saved.

However Mormons, Muslims or whoever cannot claim invincible ignorance.
 
I belong to a prayer group in my parish in NY and some of the other members insist that if a Mormon or a muslim are preached the Gospel and do not believe they can’t go to heaven. I l;ooked in My catechism and am having trouble finding the answer that I believe is true That God and God alone decides who goes to heaven and even upon death a person is given a chance to accept Our Lord am I wrong?🤷
Well sure Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Judge - but He did tell us the criteria on which we wll be judged. It’s not like we’re wingin’ it down here.

Bottom line is if someone *culpably *rejects the Gospel and dies in that state, they are lost - no ifs, ands or buts. At death, the choice is fixed forever. And by choosing to reject the Gospel they have chosen to reject Christ, to reject salvation itself.

With the information given in the hypothetical question…
  • that this was a person outside of Christ’s Church,
  • that this person heard the Gospel message, and
  • that this person rejected the Gospel message…
    objectively speaking, this person won’t be saved if this peson dies in this state. As such, I see nothing wrong with the statement in question.
The only way to hypothetically “get aound this” this person being lost is to tweak the person’s culpability for the rejection by plugging in a plethora of nuanced “what ifs” and “yeah buts” that might lessen or negate the culpability for the person’s disbelief. That’s a toughy in this situation because the person has heard and rejected the Gospel message. I guess if you plug in enough whatifs and yeahbuts you could get there, but you’re playing a dangerous and presumptious game.

And let’s be careful not to say that since they didn’t believe the Gospel, then they aren’t culpable for their disbelief. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
Well sure Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Judge - but He did tell us the criteria on which we wll be judged. It’s not like we’re wingin’ it down here.

Bottom line is if someone *culpably *rejects the Gospel and dies in that state, they are lost - no ifs, ands or buts. At death, the choice is fixed forever. And by choosing to reject the Gospel they have chosen to reject Christ, to reject salvation itself.

With the information given in the hypothetical question…
  • that this was a person outside of Christ’s Church,
  • that this person heard the Gospel message, and
  • that this person rejected the Gospel message…
    objectively speaking, this person won’t be saved if this peson dies in this state. As such, I see nothing wrong with the statement in question.
The only way to hypothetically “get aound this” this person being lost is to tweak the person’s culpability for the rejection by plugging in a plethora of nuanced “what ifs” and “yeah buts” that might lessen or negate the culpability for the person’s disbelief. That’s a toughy in this situation because the person has heard and rejected the Gospel message. I guess if you plug in enough whatifs and yeahbuts you could get there, but you’re playing a dangerous and presumptious game.

And let’s be careful not to say that since they didn’t believe the Gospel, then they aren’t culpable for their disbelief. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
For any to say that they can determine the salvation of another individual soul is a lie. Fault can lie within the hearer as to faculties and disposition and fault can lie with the PREACHER. It is not given to us to judge the salavtion of another soul.
 
For any to say that they can determine the salvation of another individual soul is a lie. Fault can lie within the hearer as to faculties and disposition and fault can lie with the PREACHER. It is not given to us to judge the salavtion of another soul.
I didn’t say I was the judge or that I was the determiner of one’s salvation. All I am saying is the Christ is the Judge and He has told us what His criteria is for eternal life with Him - and we can’t second guess this because the world thinks the Lord unjust or that we’re just a bunch of meanies.

All of this “faculties and disposition” jazz is mere theolgoical and hypothetical speculation. Fine. Speculate to your hearts content. Just make sure you don’t speculate yourself into a sitaution where you make Our Lord Jesus Christ or His One True Church out to be a liar.

In the given scenerio we see a person hearing and rejecting the Gospel. If the person is alive then this person needs us to pray for them and work for their conversion for the salvation of their soul and for the glory of God. He sure as heck doesn’t need us speculating on theological loopholes for him…which is all it seems you folks want to do these days. Not only do you want to speculate on theolgoical loopholes, you want to “preach” the loopholes as if they were the criteria in the first place.

Ludicrous and Good grief and Lord have mercy on us all.

DustinsDad
 
For any to say that they can determine the salvation of another individual soul is a lie. Fault can lie within the hearer as to faculties and disposition and fault can lie with the PREACHER. It is not given to us to judge the salavtion of another soul.
The Church has defined dogmatically 3 times that those who are outside the Catholic Church are lost. To say we do not know who goes to hell is a lie; for we do infallibly who goes to hell: Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino, 1441: “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”

Here are 2 more dogmatic prouncements:
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215: “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.”

Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctum, 1302: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this (Church) outside which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…”
 
If a person is of Good will, and is truly seeking the Truth, God will not withold the Catholic faith from that person. He will even send, in a miraculous manner, the means of salvation to that person (Acts 8).

We are born with the law written in our hearts. Through sin we dull our conscience to distinguish what is right and what is wrong. A person who is in ingnorance may not be culpulable for not joining Holy Mother Church, but still has to answer to God for other mortal sins. Ignorance doesn’t save a person. God puts the Commandments in our hearts and it is up to us to accept His actual grace in our lives to lead us to the Truth…

Romans 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: 15 Who show the work of the law** written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them,** and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another,

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Inculpable or invincible ignorance has never been and will never be a means of salvation. To be saved, it is necessary to be justified, or to be in the state of sanctifying grace. In order to obtain sanctifying grace, it is necessary to have the proper dispositions for justification; that is, true divine faith in at least the necessary truths of salvation, confident hope in the divine Savior, sincere sorrow for sin, together with the firm purpose of doing all that God has commanded, etc. Now, these supernatural acts of faith, hope, charity, contrition, etc., which prepare the soul for receiving sanctifying grace, can never be supplied by invincible ignorance; and if invincible ignorance cannot supply the preparation for receiving sanctifying grace, much less can it bestow sanctifying grace itself. “Invincible ignorance”, says St. Thomas Aquinas, “is a punishment for sin”. (De Infid. q. x., art. 1.) It is, then, a curse, but not a blessing or a means of salvation.

But if we say that inculpable ignorance cannot save a man, we thereby do not say that invincible ignorance damns a man. Far from it. To say, invincible ignorance is no means of salvation, is one thing; and to say, invincible ignorance is the cause of damnation, is another. To maintain the latter would be wrong, for inculpable ignorance of the fundamental principles of faith excuses a heathen from the sin of infidelity, and a Protestant from the sin of heresy; because such invincible ignorance, being only a simple involuntary privation, is no sin.

Hence Pius IX said "that, were a man to be invincibly ignorant of the true religion, such invincible ignorance would not be sinful before God; that, if such a person should observe the precepts of the Natural Law and do the will of God to the best of his knowledge, God, in His infinite mercy, may enlighten him so as to obtain eternal life; for, the Lord, who knows the heart and thoughts of man, will, in His infinite goodness, not suffer any one to be lost forever without his own fault."7

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Pius IX has, on many occasions, condemned such liberal opinions. Read his Allocution to the Cardinals, held Dec. 17, 1847, in which he expresses his indignation against all those who had said that he had sanctioned such perverse opinions. “In our times”, says he, “many of the enemies of the Catholic Faith direct their efforts towards placing every monstrous opinion on the same level with the doctrine of Christ, or confounding it therewith; and so they try more and more to propagate that impious system of the indifference of religions. But quite recently – we shudder to say it certain men have not hesitated to slander us by saying that we share in their folly, favor that most wicked system, and think so benevolently of every class of mankind as to suppose that not only the sons of the Church, but that the rest also, however alienated from Catholic unity they may remain, are alike in the way of salvation, and may arrive at everlasting life. We are at a loss, from horror, to find words to express our detestation of this new and atrocious injustice that is done to us.”

Matthew 7: 13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 **How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! **
 
If a person is of Good will, and is truly seeking the Truth, God will not withold the Catholic faith from that person. He will even send, in a miraculous manner, the means of salvation to that person (Acts 8).

We are born with the law written in our hearts. Through sin we dull our conscience to distinguish what is right and what is wrong. A person who is in ingnorance may not be culpulable for not joining Holy Mother Church, but still has to answer to God for other mortal sins. Ignorance doesn’t save a person. God puts the Commandments in our hearts and it is up to us to accept His actual grace in our lives to lead us to the Truth…

Romans 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall be judged by the law. 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature those things that are of the law; these having not the law are a law to themselves: 15 Who show the work of the law** written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness to them,** and their thoughts between themselves accusing, or also defending one another,

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Inculpable or invincible ignorance has never been and will never be a means of salvation. To be saved, it is necessary to be justified, or to be in the state of sanctifying grace. In order to obtain sanctifying grace, it is necessary to have the proper dispositions for justification; that is, true divine faith in at least the necessary truths of salvation, confident hope in the divine Savior, sincere sorrow for sin, together with the firm purpose of doing all that God has commanded, etc. Now, these supernatural acts of faith, hope, charity, contrition, etc., which prepare the soul for receiving sanctifying grace, can never be supplied by invincible ignorance; and if invincible ignorance cannot supply the preparation for receiving sanctifying grace, much less can it bestow sanctifying grace itself. “Invincible ignorance”, says St. Thomas Aquinas, “is a punishment for sin”. (De Infid. q. x., art. 1.) It is, then, a curse, but not a blessing or a means of salvation.

But if we say that inculpable ignorance cannot save a man, we thereby do not say that invincible ignorance damns a man. Far from it. To say, invincible ignorance is no means of salvation, is one thing; and to say, invincible ignorance is the cause of damnation, is another. To maintain the latter would be wrong, for inculpable ignorance of the fundamental principles of faith excuses a heathen from the sin of infidelity, and a Protestant from the sin of heresy; because such invincible ignorance, being only a simple involuntary privation, is no sin.

Hence Pius IX said "that, were a man to be invincibly ignorant of the true religion, such invincible ignorance would not be sinful before God; that, if such a person should observe the precepts of the Natural Law and do the will of God to the best of his knowledge, God, in His infinite mercy, may enlighten him so as to obtain eternal life; for, the Lord, who knows the heart and thoughts of man, will, in His infinite goodness, not suffer any one to be lost forever without his own fault."7

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Pius IX has, on many occasions, condemned such liberal opinions. Read his Allocution to the Cardinals, held Dec. 17, 1847, in which he expresses his indignation against all those who had said that he had sanctioned such perverse opinions. “In our times”, says he, “many of the enemies of the Catholic Faith direct their efforts towards placing every monstrous opinion on the same level with the doctrine of Christ, or confounding it therewith; and so they try more and more to propagate that impious system of the indifference of religions. But quite recently – we shudder to say it certain men have not hesitated to slander us by saying that we share in their folly, favor that most wicked system, and think so benevolently of every class of mankind as to suppose that not only the sons of the Church, but that the rest also, however alienated from Catholic unity they may remain, are alike in the way of salvation, and may arrive at everlasting life. We are at a loss, from horror, to find words to express our detestation of this new and atrocious injustice that is done to us.”

Matthew 7: 13 Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!
Yes, you are correct. It is the heretic’s who state that Pius IX stated one in invincible ignorance can be saved. Pius IX did not say this; as you state, those in invincible ignorance will not be damned for their ignorance, however they can not be saved either. If a man dies in invincible ignorance, God who know’s the hearts of all men, knew he or she would not hear His call, for God would not let someone die who truly seeks God in invincible ignorance. Pius IX states he would give them the light to come to know and love Him. He would bring that person to the pillar of truth. The Catholic Church. The ark of salvation. In which no one is saved outside the ark.
 
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We know the objective criteria, but only God searches hearts and judges culpability, implicit desire, etc.

Speculating on any specific person’s salvation is fruitless–we are never commanded to do that–but we are commanded to bring the saving truth and love of God to all people.
 
We know the objective criteria, but only God searches hearts and judges culpability, implicit desire, etc.

Speculating on any specific person’s salvation is fruitless–we are never commanded to do that–but we are commanded to bring the saving truth and love of God to all people.
We know that if a man dies believing in his false religion he goes to hell. A muslim, an unbelieving Jew, a buddhist, a protestant will all go to hell if he does not convert to the Catholic faith before he dies. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino, 1441: “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”

The Church dogmatically states that “unless before death they are joined with Her” very clear, who goes to hell.
 
We know the objective criteria, but only God searches hearts and judges culpability, implicit desire, etc.

Speculating on any specific person’s salvation is fruitless–we are never commanded to do that–but we are commanded to bring the saving truth and love of God to all people.
So very true. Also we are promised this: Judge not lest you be judged.
 
So very true. Also we are promised this: Judge not lest you be judged.
Catharina,

We must take a full account of this quote.

Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that you may not be judged, 2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, **cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. **

Our Lord isn’t exactly telling us NOT to judge our neighbor or brother. He is telling us to get rid of the evil in our lives before we correct the evil in others. He is not telling us NOT to judge period. We all make judgements everyday, for example, is the person my daughter going to the movies with the type of person I want her to associate with? Is the actress in the movie showing the virtues of a good life, or leading my child to an occasion of sin? I could go on and on.

I think perhaps you are stretching the meaning of the quote to excuse souls from entering into Holy Mother Church. I believe it far more charitable to assist our neighbor to come into the Catholic Church for them to have access to the sacraments, the means to eternal life. Allowing them to remain in ignorance seems quite opposed to wanting what is best for our neighbor’s eternal soul.
 
Well sure Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Judge - but He did tell us the criteria on which we wll be judged. It’s not like we’re wingin’ it down here.

Bottom line is if someone *culpably *rejects the Gospel and dies in that state, they are lost - no ifs, ands or buts. At death, the choice is fixed forever. And by choosing to reject the Gospel they have chosen to reject Christ, to reject salvation itself.

With the information given in the hypothetical question…
  • that this was a person outside of Christ’s Church,
  • that this person heard the Gospel message, and
  • that this person rejected the Gospel message…
    objectively speaking, this person won’t be saved if this peson dies in this state. As such, I see nothing wrong with the statement in question.
The only way to hypothetically “get aound this” this person being lost is to tweak the person’s culpability for the rejection by plugging in a plethora of nuanced “what ifs” and “yeah buts” that might lessen or negate the culpability for the person’s disbelief. That’s a toughy in this situation because the person has heard and rejected the Gospel message. I guess if you plug in enough whatifs and yeahbuts you could get there, but you’re playing a dangerous and presumptious game.

And let’s be careful not to say that since they didn’t believe the Gospel, then they aren’t culpable for their disbelief. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
This statement is not true. Only God knows the state of a soul.
You are talking about two different things.
Yes only God knows the state of a soul at death but we know that a Catholic who dies in a state of grace will be saved.
A Mormon or Muslim, for example, who has rejected Christ and his Church and rejects them to death, thereby dying in a state of mortal sin, will not be saved.
 
The Church has defined dogmatically 3 times that those who are outside the Catholic Church are lost. To say we do not know who goes to hell is a lie; for we do infallibly who goes to hell: Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino, 1441: “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”

Here are 2 more dogmatic prouncements:
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215: “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.”

Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctum, 1302: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this (Church) outside which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…”
If you’re interpreting those as you are, as meaning it is impossible for some who, in good faith, is not expressly Catholic, is therefore necessarily completely cut off from the Church, then you are calling St. Pius X a manifest heretic for putting this in his Catechism:
29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
Code:
    *A.* If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he         is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the         implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the         truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated         from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and         consequently is on the way of salvation.
Either you can accuse him of double speak, you can extend the sedevacantist position an additional 60 years, or you can adjust your interpretation.

Likewise, St. Alphonsus Liguori was a manifest heretic for teaching this:
"But baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true Baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called “of wind” “flaminis”] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind “flamen”]. Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, “de presbytero non baptizato” and of the Council of Trent, session 6, Chapter 4 where it is said that no one can be saved “without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.”
Of course, both were quite familiar with the decrees you have stated, and yet both disagree with the conclusion you draw from them. It is not the religious indifferentism condemned by Bl. Pius IX, that all religions are equally salvific or that those cut off from the Church can be saved, that they are speaking of
 
Catharina,

We must take a full account of this quote.

Matthew 7: 1 Judge not, that you may not be judged, 2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, **cast out first **the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Our Lord isn’t exactly telling us NOT to judge our neighbor or brother. He is telling us to get rid of the evil in our lives before we correct the evil in others. He is not telling us NOT to judge period. We all make judgements everyday, for example, is the person my daughter going to the movies with the type of person I want her to associate with? Is the actress in the movie showing the virtues of a good life, or leading my child to an occasion of sin? I could go on and on.

I think perhaps you are stretching the meaning of the quote to excuse souls from entering into Holy Mother Church. I believe it far more charitable to assist our neighbor to come into the Catholic Church for them to have access to the sacraments, the means to eternal life. Allowing them to remain in ignorance seems quite opposed to wanting what is best for our neighbor’s eternal soul.
I have no idea where you got your interpretation of that Scripture. This is not an argument. Jesus said if we would not be judged, we should not judge. I consider that to be Plan One. Plan Two, the part you mentioned at length is for those who wish to judge. They are NOT to say to Catholics who have been faithful to the Church for 62 years: “Oh, I hope you give up your evil ways and come to my sedevancantist Church.” It’s said on this site daily. I do hope you get my point: in other words, look at the name of this thread and explain how ANYONE CAN STATE WHO IS AND WHO ISN’T GOING TO HEAVEN. No one can. We know what God requires but we cannot do God’s judging. Our knowledge is too limited. I can teach the faith through my life, through my actions, through my words and prayers without passing judgment on anyone else.
 
I have no idea where you got your interpretation of that Scripture. This is not an argument. Jesus said if we would not be judged, we should not judge. I consider that to be Plan One. Plan Two, the part you mentioned at length is for those who wish to judge. They are NOT to say to Catholics who have been faithful to the Church for 62 years: “Oh, I hope you give up your evil ways and come to my sedevancantist Church.” It’s said on this site daily. I do hope you get my point: in other words, look at the name of this thread and explain how ANYONE CAN STATE WHO IS AND WHO ISN’T GOING TO HEAVEN. No one can. We know what God requires but we cannot do God’s judging. Our knowledge is too limited. I can teach the faith through my life, through my actions, through my words and prayers without passing judgment on anyone else.
Catharina, is not Jesus going to come to judge the living and the dead? He came into this world as savior, however, when he comes again, he will come as JUDGE. And again I refer you to the infallible prouncement of the Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino; 1441: “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”

What part of this prouncement do you not understand about who are NOT SAVED? Crystal Clear to all you have eyes to see and ears to hear.
 
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