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Canon Law forbids you joining that Church, unless you are 14 or under. They cannot accept you.
Show me where.

Can. 844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and can. 861, §2.

Can. 1248 §1. A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.

Switching Rites
 
Can. 112 ß1 After the reception of baptism, the following become members of another autonomous ritual Church:
I haven’t been baptized Catholic
1ƒ those who have obtained permission from the Apostolic See;
Do you understand the process of changing Rites? You ask for permission from the Holy See which will almost always give you permission, and then you change Rites, this also has nothing to do with receiving Sacraments of a different Rite.
 
I haven’t been baptized Catholic

Do you understand the process of changing Rites? You ask for permission from the Holy See which will almost always give you permission, and then you change Rites, this also has nothing to do with receiving Sacraments of a different Rite.
Wrong. The Vatican almost never grants permission to change Rites.

I understand the Canon very well. You never heard of it before I quoted it to you, so your instruction to me is hardly appreciated.
You might do us a favor, then, to change your determination at Roman Catholic, if in truth you have never been baptised.
 
Wrong. The Vatican almost never grants permission to change Rites.

I understand the Canon very well. You never heard of it before I quoted it to you, so your instruction to me is hardly appreciated.
You might do us a favor, then, to change your determination at Roman Catholic, if in truth you have never been baptised.
What you are saying seems to contradict what everyone else on this forum says, I’m creating a new thread to discuss this.
 
Canon Law forbids you joining that Church, unless you are 14 or under. They cannot accept you.

This is totally off-topic, and I am not interested in discussing such with you. End of story.
You are 100% wrong. I have many friends who were Roman Catholics who joined eastern churches. If you go over to the Eastern Catholicism forum you will see that many of them have transfered over from the latin church to the eastern churches. The fact is that anyone can change rites if they have permission from the bishop of the church they are transfering to.
 
You are 100% wrong. I have many friends who were Roman Catholics who joined eastern churches. If you go over to the Eastern Catholicism forum you will see that many of them have transfered over from the latin church to the eastern churches. The fact is that anyone can change rites if they have permission from the bishop of the church they are transfering to.
That’s what I said. That’s why we are the Catholic Church, the Universal Church.
 
That’s what I said. That’s why we are the Catholic Church, the Universal Church.
Yes, you are correct. If you are hoping to change churches you should first check out the various eastern churches including the Maronites, Chaldeans, Melchites and etc. If there is one near you that you fit in with their spirituality then you should go for it.
 
Yes, you are correct. If you are hoping to change churches you should first check out the various eastern churches including the Maronites, Chaldeans, Melchites and etc. If there is one near you that you fit in with their spirituality then you should go for it.
The only Eastern Catholic Church that is near me is a Ruthenian Catholic Church. I think that one will be the one.
 
The only Eastern Catholic Church that is near me is a Ruthenian Catholic Church. I think that one will be the one.
Have you visited them yet? If you haven’t then you should go and visit them. Get used to the community and their way of worship. The liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is beatiful. When I was in college I went to a Ruthenian mission many times for the liturgy. I thought it was beautiful.
 
Have you visited them yet? If you haven’t then you should go and visit them. Get used to the community and their way of worship. The liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is beatiful. When I was in college I went to a Ruthenian mission many times for the liturgy. I thought it was beautiful.
Yes, I have, as I am not Catholic yet, I don’t believe that I would have the issue of switching rites. I did enjoy the Divine Liturgy and will probably join that particular parish. I didn’t see any Liturgical abuses which was lovely.
 
You are 100% wrong. I have many friends who were Roman Catholics who joined eastern churches. If you go over to the Eastern Catholicism forum you will see that many of them have transfered over from the latin church to the eastern churches. The fact is that anyone can change rites if they have permission from the bishop of the church they are transfering to.
Wrong. Canon 112 requires permission of the Holy See. It is not within the Bishop’s authority to authorize such a change.
 
Wrong. Canon 112 requires permission of the Holy See. It is not within the Bishop’s authority to authorize such a change.
It’s odd that every other Catholic disagrees with this. I guess every single Catholic Bishop is a heretic. That’s reasonable. 😃
 
It’s odd that every other Catholic disagrees with this. I guess every single Catholic Bishop is a heretic. That’s reasonable. 😃
Why don’t you just go ahead and do it. It is hardly a matter of interest to Latin rite Catholics.

Why would 'every single Catholic Bishop be a heretic"?

As for your comment, “it’s odd that every other Catholic agrees with this”. Are you serious? It is not a matter of interest to 'every other Catholic".
 
Why don’t you just go ahead and do it. It is hardly a matter of interest to Latin rite Catholics.

Why would 'every single Catholic Bishop be a heretic"?

As for your comment, “it’s odd that every other Catholic agrees with this”. Are you serious? It is not a matter of interest to 'every other Catholic".
Is it, no other person on this forum has taken the same stance as you. Why are the Bishops then allowing people to switch rites?
 
Wrong. Canon 112 requires permission of the Holy See. It is not within the Bishop’s authority to authorize such a change.
Your interpretation of things is not how it happens in reality. In reality it is the local bishop of the church you are transfering from and the bishop of the church you are transfering to. Here is what probably the most knowledgable poster on these subjects on this forum says on the subject.
Irish Melkite:
The formal phrase for the process by which one changes from one Church sui iuris to another (because it is the “Church” that you change; the change in Rite is an incidental by-product of doing so) is a Change (or Transfer) of Canonical Enrollment(although, last I knew, the forms still use the now obsolete terminology Change of Rite, reflecting an incorrect and offensive usage common prior to Vatican II, when each of the Eastern Catholic Churches was referred to as a “Rite”, suggesting a second-class status in relation to the Latin Church).

In brief, the process begins when a person believes that his or her spiritual well-being would best be served by fully participating in the life of a sui iuris Church other than the one of which he or she is then a member.

How soon after becoming acquainted with another Church sui iuris can one legitimately claim such discernment? It varies from individual to individual, but at least one Eastern Catholic jurisdiction (Eparchy of Passaic of the Ruthenians) has quantified it from their perspective, formally requiring participation by the petitioner in a parish’s life for 3 years before approval will be granted. I believe that the Eparchy of Saint Maron in Brooklyn of the Maronites imposes a two-year requirement. To the best of my knowledge, no other US Eparchy has a defined period of involvement prior to granting approval of a petition. I think it’s safe to say that a minimum of one year would be expected by any other jurisdiction, with two years being desirable in my opinion.

The petitioner addresses his written request to both his existing ordinary and the ordinary into whose jurisdiction he/she seeks to transfer, explaining the motivation for seeking transfer.

At one time, Rome (in the person of the Apostolic Nuncio) had a direct role in effectuating such changes. It no longer does, except in unusual circumstances. The authority to approve such a Change is now formally delegated to the discretion of the ordinaries involved (the bishop or eparch of the Church from which the petitioner is originating and his counterpart in the Church with which the petitioner seeks to join).
As for your comment, “it’s odd that every other Catholic agrees with this”. Are you serious? It is not a matter of interest to 'every other Catholic".
It shouldn’t be an interest to you either.
 
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I doubt Irish Melkite’s knowledge of this.

First, the canon involved in determining the rules, is 112, and this was approved in 1983, well after Vatican 2.

There is no reason why the Code would not be updated to reflect what you claim to be a chainge.

Finally, it is not change of Church - It is the same Church. The canon rightly refers to the matter as ‘change of rite’ not ‘change of church’.

I hold to the canonical requirement of approval of the Holy See, unless you have something in writing to the contrary. I believe I am just as much an expert as Irish Melkite.
 
Whatever if my local Bishop allows me to do it, than I will.
 
I doubt Irish Melkite’s knowledge of this.

First, the canon involved in determining the rules, is 112, and this was approved in 1983, well after Vatican 2.

There is no reason why the Code would not be updated to reflect what you claim to be a chainge.

Finally, it is not change of Church - It is the same Church. The canon rightly refers to the matter as ‘change of rite’ not ‘change of church’.

I hold to the canonical requirement of approval of the Holy See, unless you have something in writing to the contrary. I believe I am just as much an expert as Irish Melkite.
This is exactly the type of knowledge Irish Melkite has. He deals with issues of the relations between the various churches and there legal nature. Check out some of the stickies which were provided by him. This is precisely his area.

Second, canon 112 is not the only canon that is of importance. The eastern canons were approved in 1990.

Third, to say it is not a change of church because it is the same church is to distort the idea of church within Catholicism. It is to say that the word church only applies the the Church universal. It is to say that there is no association with the particular Church. It is purely false. Especially since official documents like Orientale Ecclesiarum specifically call the eastern churches churches.

No, rite is an incorrect term. We are not simply a rite, we are churches. The Code of Eastern Canons, which is approved by Rome calls it a change of church in canon 32(quoted below) not of rite. Canon 28 in the Eastern Canons.
  1. A rite is the liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony, culture and circumstances of history of a distinct people, by which its own manner of living the faith is manifested in each Church sui iuris. 2. The rites treated in this code, unless otherwise stated, are those which arise from the Alexandrian, Antiochene, Armenian, Chaldean and Constantinopolitan traditions.
Canon 291. By virtue of baptism, a child who has not yet completed his fourteenth year of age is enrolled in the Church sui iuris of the Catholic father; or the Church sui iuris of the mother if only the mother is Catholic or if both parents by agreement freely request it, with due regard for particular law established by the Apostolic See. 2. If the child who has not yet completed his fourteenth year is: (1) born of an unwed mother, he is enrolled in the Church sui iuris to which the mother belongs; (2) born of unknown parents, he is to be enrolled in the Church sui iuris of those in whose care he has been legitimately committed are enrolled; if it is a case of an adoptive father and mother, 1 should be applied; (3) born of non-baptized parents, the child is to be a member of the Church sui iuris of the one who is responsible for his education in the Catholic faith.

It is a church, not a rite.

You are wrong.

I will go by actual reality which happens more along the lines which I have spoken of. I know people who are going through the process who have gone through the local bishop of each of the two churches involved.

Canon 32 of the Eastern Canons.

In the case of Christian faithful of an eparchy of a certain Church sui iuris who petition to transfer to another Church sui iuris which has its own eparchy in the same territory, this consent of the Apostolic See is presumed, provided that the eparchial bishops of both eparchies consent to the transfer in writing.

As I said, it is the two local bishops that make the call.
 
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