Who Can & Who Cannot Be In Seminary

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From John allen’s column today:

Sources indicate that the long-awaited Vatican document on the admission of homosexuals to seminaries is now in the hands of Pope Benedict XVI. The document, which has been condensed from earlier versions, reasserts the response given by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in 2002, in response to a dubium submitted by a bishop on whether a homosexual could be ordained: “A homosexual person, or one with a homosexual tendency, is not fit to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders.”

That reply was published in the November-December 2002 issue of Notitiae, the official publication of the congregation.

It is up to Benedict XVI to decide whether to issue the new document as it stands, to send it back for revision, or to shelve it on the basis that for now such a document is “inopportune.”

Several American bishops were in Rome last week for the June 29 pallium ceremony, and I spoke to some of them about the document.

Privately, some hope Benedict will decide to put the document in a desk drawer for the time being, on the grounds that it will generate controversy and negative press without changing anything in terms of existing discipline.

As one bishop put it to me, the policy against ordaining homosexuals is already clear – the only interesting question is, what do you mean by a “homosexual”? At one end of the continuum, it could refer to anyone who once had a fleeting same-sex attraction; at another, it could be restricted to someone who is sexually active and openly part of a “gay pride” movement. Most people would exclude those extremes, but where is the line drawn in between?

Vatican sources have made clear the document will not enter into these details, and hence this bishop believes it’s an unneeded headache.

Further, the bishop said, the document may make candidates less likely to be honest with formation directors about their psycho-sexual development, even though some degree of experimentation and ambivalence about orientation is not unusual, and by itself should not disqualify potential priests.

“The risk is that we drive the conversation underground,” he said.

Others, however, hold that the document is needed for two reasons.

One, it will come with a higher level of authority than a response to a dubium published in the bulletin of a curial agency. This document will come with the clear authorization of the pope, perhaps in forma specifica, meaning that it draws on his personal authority. In that sense, the bishop said, it’s like the relationship of John Paul’s 1994 document Ordinatio sacerdotalis, on women priests, to the 1976 document Inter Insigniores from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the same subject. The teaching didn’t change, but the level of authority and clarity did.

Two, the document will reject a solution that some seminaries, religious communities and bishops have tended to adopt in recent years – that it doesn’t matter if a candidate is gay, as long as he’s capable of remaining celibate.

“I suspect some people, in good will, have gravitated to this idea,” one bishop said. “But that’s not what the church is saying, and this document will make that clear.”

To date, there’s been no indication of what the pope intends to do.

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How much difference would the document have on the church as we know it today?
 
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Libero:
How much difference would the document have on the church as we know it today?
That remains to be seen doesn’t it?
 
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Libero:
How much difference would the document have on the church as we know it today?
I suppose since the aim is at those entering the seminary it the document’s goals are to change the Church in the years to come.
 
But why just priests? Why not deacons?

Why just this sin or the temptation to this sin?

There are sins that are just as bad for the community and some are tempted by those sins, why not exclude them also?

Heck, we should just exlude every man who has ever been tempted but then no one, not even Christ, could be ordained.
 
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ByzCath:
But why just priests? Why not deacons?

Why just this sin or the temptation to this sin?

There are sins that are just as bad for the community and some are tempted by those sins, why not exclude them also?

Heck, we should just exlude every man who has ever been tempted but then no one, not even Christ, could be ordained.
I suspect that the pope and the Synod will be discussing some of these things and various points will be made on both sides of the issue. It could well be that the Vatican will allow bishops to decide individual cases rather than make a blanket statement. It could be that a blanket statement will be made and any exceptions will have to be submitted on a case by case basis.

Due to the terrible scandals which have eruptedin the church I think they are tring to address the issue in both a pastoral and a “let’s-not have-this-happen-again” sense of things. It remains to be seen what the final result will be.

We know that priests and sisters are both promised to celibacy – we don’t house them together and “expect” the best. We have for many many years now had divided residences for the men and women working in the church. And for good and justifiable reason it seems to me.

And I think common sense tells us that some sins in the general congregation vs. allowing those in ministry who have such moral and psychological authority over others has to be weighed and considered also.
 
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