Who created God?

[ddarko]

Do you believe that Hell is like how many of the Saints described it? Literally a place of torture by fire, demons and horrible smells. I mean many would call this a childish view but that is how they saw it and it was not to be taken metaphoricaly. tldm.org/News8/realityofhell.htm

Haha I am not denying what they saw. But no one says it has to be one-one like what they saw. One thing is clear, metaphorically or not, its a place of torture and suffering. Catholics aren’t required to believe what hell looks like or even what heaven looks like. We are only required to believe that there is a heaven and hell, and in the respective nature of those two things. In short, heaven is the ultimate communion with God while hell is the ultimate denial of God. Everything else stems from it.

In my explanation, I said how Hell is the ultimate realization of the warped nature of humans. So I am sure you can imagine the torture and suffering. Think of a world where lust, pride, selfishness etc is all there is. And yes, since demons go to hell, the people in hell will have to share it with them. Thus it is quiet understandable that saints would have seen such suffering. So overall, I don’t see any incompatibility between what I said and a torturous hell. I am not even sure how much authority your link contains anyway but it still doesn’t seem to incompatible with what i said.

The theological misunderstanding that you hold is that Hell is created by God and that people are predestined to hell. Those ideas are WRONG according to catholic theology.

God Bless

 

[Gloria1]

I know for the big minds out there (you know who you are! ) this is an easy question to answer. I’ve really been doing some research on this question and I’ve found some really great answers but I still don’t get it

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

Thanks a lot!

coolduude

Nobody created God and that is why He is “God”. He is the uncaused first cause and the unmoved mover and that makes Him “God”. You’ve been doing research on this question and you still don’t get it! . You “CANNOT” get it with a “limited” mind. You need an “eternal” or “unlimited” mind to understand everything about God because God is eternal and God is unlimited.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I know for the big minds out there (you know who you are! ) this is an easy question to answer. I’ve really been doing some research on this question and I’ve found some really great answers but I still don’t get it

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

Thanks a lot!

coolduude

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I must have posted the last one without putting in any text.

When Moses asked what he would tell the Israelites when they requested who had sent him on his mission, God told him to tell them that “I AM” had sent him. In other words, God simply is and always has been.

However there is a relation to this problem and that is why God is “good” and supposedly “love”. Why is it that the only uncaused eternally existent Being is also “Good” and “Love”? Why couldn’t He have been a mixture of Good and Evil, or purely Evil?

Is it because He has thought through the possibility of evil or un-love, and knows the ultimate consequence is destruction, and His Goodness is a result of His own choice, after investigating the results if He did do something evil? Or is it because His “Goodness” and “Love” are intimately bound up with His own existence? In other words, does He exist because He IS “Good”? Or does infinite goodness have its own existence?

I think it must do, since all created beings, spiritual or human, who in a sense owe their spiritual qualities to God’s own Spirit, once separated from the original well-spring, have a tendency to go bad, just as for instance Christ said that apart from HIm we can do nothing, and that branches that break off from Him die and wither, and are thrown into the fire, good only for burning.

 

[caesarjbsquitti]

I know for the big minds out there (you know who you are! ) this is an easy question to answer. I’ve really been doing some research on this question and I’ve found some really great answers but I still don’t get it

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

Thanks a lot!

coolduude

There is obviously quotes from the bible…like a riddle that can be used to explain this…logically…although the answer gives us another mystery.

John:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

Well there is a solution, abstract in nature that will solve this riddle…or at least I think it does to some degree…makes some sense…only time will tell…its about dimensions…and ‘spin’…much like Galeleo proved the world was actually round and rotated around the sun…

 

[lemondiesel]

Nobody created God and that is why He is “God”. He is the uncaused first cause and the unmoved mover and that makes Him “God”. You’ve been doing research on this question and you still don’t get it! . ** You “CANNOT” get it with a “limited” mind. You need an “eternal” or “unlimited” mind to understand everything about God because God is eternal and God is unlimited**.

if you are going with that statement, then no one can understand god

 

[coolduude]

if you are going with that statement, then no one can understand god

No one can understand God fully

 

[lemondiesel]

No one can understand God fully

no one can understand God, at all.

 

[coolduude]

no one can understand God, at all.

We can understand what God has revealed to us and, using logic, we can deduce a few attributes of God. But like I said, we are limited and so cannot understand the limitless (God).

 

[Gloria1]

if you are going with that statement, then no one can understand god

Our limited minds can understand “some” but not “everything” about God because God is unlimited. If you want to understand everything about God then you need an “unlimited” mind. We can understand “some” but not “all”.

 

[lemondiesel]

We can understand what God has revealed to us and, using logic, we can deduce a few attributes of God. But like I said, we are limited and so cannot understand the limitless (God).

Okay, so “logically” what are some of these few attributes of God? If God revealed an unlimited universe, how can He be beyond that? Is he outside of unlimited?

Our limited minds can understand “some” but not “everything” about God because God is unlimited. If you want to understand everything about God then you need an “unlimited” mind. We can understand “some” but not “all”.

By “some” do you mean laws of science? So you are placing God in unlimited, but how can one exist unlimited outside of infinity?

imo, everyone should just be agnostic

 

[Mystic_Banana]

no one can understand God, at all.

Well except, presumably, God

Okay, so “logically” what are some of these few attributes of God? If God revealed an unlimited universe, how can He be beyond that? Is he outside of unlimited?

In what sense would this hypothetical universe be unlimited?

By “some” do you mean laws of science? So you are placing God in unlimited, but how can one exist unlimited outside of infinity?

The laws of science, as we know them, do not represent infinity. They represent the extent of our knowledge as regards the physical reality within our ken. Anything beyond that, science is impotent except to construct interpretations based on assumed extensions of that knowledge, assuming, again, that it is even as true it is believed to be

imo, everyone should just be agnostic

Fair enough!

 

[lemondiesel]

In what sense would this hypothetical universe be unlimited?

well it depends on if we both agree space and time are infinite and light as the constant.

The laws of science, as we know them, do not represent infinity. They represent the extent of our knowledge as regards the physical reality within our ken. Anything beyond that, science is impotent except to construct interpretations based on assumed extensions of that knowledge, assuming, again, that it is even as true it is believed to be

I was saying laws of science towards Gloria one where she said we can understand some of god but fully. They represent the “oneness”

 

[Mystic_Banana]

well it depends on if we both agree space and time are infinite and light as the constant.

I’m not entirely convinced space and time are infinite! And even if they are, why would God be limited to them, as we understand them, anyway?

I was saying laws of science towards Gloria one where she said we can understand some of god but fully. They represent the “oneness”

I’d stick with saying I’d expect God to be a little beyond the limitations of the laws of science, certainly as we understand them, anyway

 

[Charlemagne_II]

John Stuart Mill and Bertrand Russell both predicated their atheism on their unwillingness to grant that there is not an infinite regress of causes.

However, this is not definitely provable, any more so than that there is a First Cause.

God has made the world and us in such a way that we can neither prove nor disprove His existence. This is because God wants us to engage primarily in a heart-to-heart, not head-to-head, relationship.

Or as Plato put it, “Atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of understanding.”

 

[lemondiesel]

I’m not entirely convinced space and time are infinite! And even if they are, why would God be limited to them, as we understand them, anyway?

God is not limited to them because God is the eternal time. The concept of a infinite “God” makes time and space infinite.

I’d stick with saying I’d expect God to be a little beyond the limitations of the laws of science, certainly as we understand them, anyway

God is not limited to the laws of science because these are physical world attributes. God existed before them, creating them. God is the ultimate cause to the greatest effect! God created cause and effect relationships

 

[Mystic_Banana]

God is not limited to them because God is the eternal time. The concept of a infinite “God” makes time and space infinite.

God is not limited to the laws of science because these are physical world attributes. God existed before them, creating them. God is the ultimate cause to the greatest effect! God created cause and effect relationships

If God created cause and effect relationships, then he also created, and is outside of, time - otherwise he couldn’t *cause * it (and causation)!

If God is the ultimate cause, that makes him first cause, doesn’t it?

Why does the concept of an infinite God make time and space infinite? Is this a bit of pantheism you’re selling in competition with my panentheism, by the way?

 

[Mystic_Banana]

If God is the ultimate cause, that makes him first cause, doesn’t it?

Oh, hang on a sec… scratch this middle bit as contention - I see that’s what you’re saying as well! Shouldn’t be so quick with my replies, expecially when deep in my cups… :coolinoff:

 

[larryp7639]

Hey Coolduude.

There is another thread like this one here.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=75822

What God means is that He is the uncaused cause. Like when he said to Moses…

Exodus 3:14

God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.

He is who He is. God exists outside of our perception of time,which He created. Thus, it is not necessary to think that there ever had to be a point in time when God was created. Hope this helps!

Thanks you for the post.
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[lemondiesel]

If God created cause and effect relationships, then he also created, and is outside of, time - otherwise he couldn’t *cause * it (and causation)!

If God is the ultimate cause, that makes him first cause, doesn’t it?

Why does the concept of an infinite God make time and space infinite? Is this a bit of pantheism you’re selling in competition with my panentheism, by the way?

God created physical time that we are bound too

Who will ever know. What if something else caused and effect which lead to the cause that effected our universe?

Because “God” is eternity, which everything in this universe experiences every second. If this universe ever did come to an end, the physical matter could possibly just be transformed into something else, lasting for eternity!

Just remember, every single atom in this universe is “God”