Who created God?

[coolduude]

I know for the big minds out there (you know who you are! ) this is an easy question to answer. I’ve really been doing some research on this question and I’ve found some really great answers but I still don’t get it

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

Thanks a lot!

coolduude

 

[Areopagite]

Well … who would have created Him?

 

[coolduude]

Well … who would have created Him?

Another creator.

This is where you run into the infinite regress problem

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

I’m not sure if this answers your question but I recall Fr. Robert Barron saying that God is the very act of existence itself and thus has no creator. Hope this helps!

 

[coolduude]

I’m not sure if this answers your question but I recall Fr. Robert Barron saying that God is the very act of existence itself and thus has no creator. Hope this helps!

Somewhat

Thank you!

 

[Art321]

Hey Coolduude.

There is another thread like this one here.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=75822

What God means is that He is the uncaused cause. Like when he said to Moses…

Exodus 3:14

God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.

He is who He is. God exists outside of our perception of time,which He created. Thus, it is not necessary to think that there ever had to be a point in time when God was created. Hope this helps!

 

[MACHIU]

I don’t think there is enough ‘human terms’ to discuss fully how God is the beginning of all therefore uncreated.

Thomas Aquinas tried in his Summa Theologica. Don’t know if you bumped this while researching.

newadvent.org/summa/1.htm

God Bless

 

[Zatzat]

I’m not sure if this answers your question but I recall Fr. Robert Barron saying that God is the very act of existence itself and thus has no creator. Hope this helps!

The God who created God is actually the very act of existence and thus, that God has no creator.

The God who created the God, who created your God, is actually the very act of existence and thus, that first God has no creator.

Hmmm…there’s that regress again.

Yes?

 

[itinerant1]

I know for the big minds out there (you know who you are! ) this is an easy question to answer. I’ve really been doing some research on this question and I’ve found some really great answers but I still don’t get it

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

Thanks a lot!

coolduude

The question “Why is God uncreated?” is not quite logical. We can rephrase that into a more logical form by asking, “Why do we say God is uncreated?”

We have no experience with something that is uncreated. Everything in our experience, including our own existence, has an existence that is contingent. That is, things come into being and they will cease to exist. Nothing in our experience has within its being the reason for its own existence – its existence is caused from without.

So, nothing in the universe exists necessarily. This fact points to a being whose existence is necessary to account for the existence of contingent beings.

The essence of every contingent thing is not identical with its existence. Existence is an act that comes to an essence.

In God, however, there is no distinction between His essence and His existence. In fact, the true nature of God is the He is Existence itself. This fact needs to be pondered. This is the significance of the name He revealed to Moses: “I Am.”

God is Existence is itself and He has communicated existence to the universe. He has brought things into existence from non-existence, creatio ex nihilo.

So the real question becomes not “Why is God uncreated?”, but “Why are there created things at all?”

It is all a matter of the limited human understanding from the perspective of only knowing things that are created; we must then wonder “What does it mean to be uncreated?” That is something well worth contemplating.

 

[LotusCarsLtd]

The God who created God is actually the very act of existence and thus, that God has no creator.

The God who created the God, who created your God, is actually the very act of existence and thus, that first God has no creator.

Hmmm…there’s that regress again.

Yes?

Technically speaking God Himself is the very act of existence and nothing is above him. In a sense the “buck stops” with God in the chain of causes as he is the very act of existence and thus has no creator.

 

[lizaanne]

I know for the big minds out there (you know who you are! ) this is an easy question to answer. I’ve really been doing some research on this question and I’ve found some really great answers but I still don’t get it

Could someone here explain to me please (in human terms ) why God is uncreated?

Thanks a lot!

coolduude

Do we really HAVE to understand this? Do we really HAVE to know?

I am perfectly happy just having Faith that He is Who IS.

Now if you are just saying it’s fun to discuss and speculate, well, ok I guess. But I never have understood why some folks have a need to take something apart down to the molecular level (and further) in order to believe it. It’s almost as if they are looking for excuses NOT to believe. Not saying this is you, just speaking in general.

In my limited human understanding of the world and God, I pray that I’m humble enough to know my limits and accept them, and just move along.

~Liza

 

[jpk1313]

God is eternal. This means he exists at all points in space/time and as such has no begining or end, so he is not created.

 

[Langdell]

Do we really HAVE to understand this? Do we really HAVE to know?

I am perfectly happy just having Faith that He is Who IS.

Now if you are just saying it’s fun to discuss and speculate, well, ok I guess. But I never have understood why some folks have a need to take something apart down to the molecular level (and further) in order to believe it. It’s almost as if they are looking for excuses NOT to believe. Not saying this is you, just speaking in general.

In my limited human understanding of the world and God, I pray that I’m humble enough to know my limits and accept them, and just move along.

~Liza

I agree, Liza. Our minds can’t begin to fully understand God.

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[flyingfish]

Creation implies the preexistence of time, (at some point it’s not there, and then it is created). Anything that doesn’t experience the passage of time (such as time itself), would not need to be created, it would simply be.

However, that still doesn’t answer the question for why it should be rather than not. Even without time, you could still get an infinite regress of reasons why something should exist. To avoid the issue, the concept of something that contains its reason for existing within itself is introduced and called “God”.

 

[Zatzat]

Technically speaking God Himself is the very act of existence and nothing is above him. In a sense the “buck stops” with God in the chain of causes as he is the very act of existence and thus has no creator.

Except for the God that created your God…that God was actually where the chain began…not your God, but the God that created your God.

…or it may have been the God that created the God, that created the God, that created the God, that created the God…

 

[tonyrey]

Except for the God that created your God…that God was actually where the chain began…not your God, but the God that created your God.

…or it may have been the God that created the God, that created the God, that created the God, that created the God…

Or in your mindless scheme of things it was matter which created matter which created matter… No wonder **nothing **matters as far as you’re concerned… Why bother to stay alive? You’ll return to dust soon enough anyway…

 

[flyingfish]

Or in your mindless scheme of things it was matter which created matter which created matter… No wonder **nothing **matters as far as you’re concerned… Why bother to stay alive? You’ll return to dust soon enough anyway…

What is God made out of? Think about it, if God caused the universe to begin, then there was some casual mechanism through which it happened. It means on the microscopic level, if you will, God interacted with matter. How does this happen?

 

[Zatzat]

Or in your mindless scheme of things it was matter which created matter which created matter…

No.

No wonder **nothing **matters as far as you’re concerned…

Family matters. Friends matter. Duty matters. Honour matters. Love matters.

I don’t need to believe in a God, not just your God, but any God in order to find life fulfilling and worth living.

Why bother to stay alive?

Because…I am alive…now.

You’ll return to dust soon enough anyway…

Yes, your point being?

 

[tonyrey]

Or in your mindless scheme of things it was matter which created matter which created matter…

Then what did? Or do you believe matter is eternal? Or did it jump out of nothing?

No wonder nothing matters as far as you’re concerned…

Family matters. Friends matter. Duty matters. Honour matters. Love matters.

They are all magical permutations of matter!

I don’t need to believe in a God, not just your God, but any God in order to find life fulfilling and worth living.

How can a lump of matter believe or find anything? It just exists - aimlessly…

Why bother to stay alive?

Because…I am alive…now.

Alive for no reason whatsoever. Just an insignificant dot in the darkness of eternity…

You’ll return to dust soon enough anyway…

Yes, your point being?

Dust is pointless!

 

[tonyrey]

What is God made out of? Think about it, if God caused the universe to begin, then there was some casual mechanism through which it happened. It means on the microscopic level, if you will, God interacted with matter.

Casual or causal?! You believe the universe occurred casually whereas I believe it has not only a Cause but a Purpose… Where do you get purposes from?

How does this happen?

How do you** think**?