Who created God?

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Oh look! The clever atheist conundrum. :rolleyes:

Why is it that I have yet to find an atheistic argument against the existence of God that doesn’t sound like something from a wanna-be philosophy drop-out?
 
No one. God is the “uncaused cause”. If God had a creator, then that creator would need a creator, and it would never end.

We can come to the conclusion that God is uncreated just from our knowledge that God is infinite. Only finite beings/objects need causes, whereas infinite beings don’t. They can’t.
 
Could we please have a serious objection to God’s existence?
 
We are everlasting beings. We and every created thing had a beginning.

But, God is an Eternal Being. He has no beginning or end. His is, always was and will be.

He is, to put it another way and very succinctly is as He self-described, “I Am”.

"God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
biblehub.com/exodus/3-14.htm

I have found while struggling with disbelief, or skepticism, through out most of my youth I would ‘eye roll’ when seeing a Bible quote. Now I just look for the Truth. (I sometimes find Truth in the most surprising places.)
I had to learn some humility in my education.

What existed before the Universe, including sunsets and tadpoles?
He did.
He is now, and always will be.

The phrase “I Am that I Am” means and implies The Eternal. All the myths of the world point to the gods having something before them, or other created origin stories. Most of the time they are fantastic and elaborate. God told us in five words…
 
**If everything came out of something **then who created God?
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No, that’s not what theists argue.

We argue that **everything that begins to exist **has a cause for its existence.

It used to be that many atheists conceded this, and would then argue, “The universe must have always existed, and therefore it doesn’t need a cause.”

Then, the Big Bang Theory proved that the universe DID begin to exist, and therefore needed a cause.

Now, I’m seeing a lot of atheists trying to mislead by restating the theists’ argument as “everything has a cause for its existence”. That’s NOT what theists claim, and it’s NEVER been the claim.
 
ANV said:
If everything came out of something then who created God?
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This is one of the dumbest atheist arguments out there.

The point of the theistic argument is that everything we can observe in the universe around us has a cause. Hence, we posit an invisible cause that is not directly observable and which infinitely transcends all the things we do observe.

Edwin
 
sugarmouse said:
We argue that **everything that begins to exist **has a cause for its existence.

It used to be that many atheists conceded this, and would then argue, “The universe must have always existed, and therefore it doesn’t need a cause.”

Then, the Big Bang Theory proved that the universe DID begin to exist, and therefore needed a cause.
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It’s reasonable to argue that the universe may not have started to exist at the moment of the Big Bang, but that it only started to exist in that form at the moment of the Big Bang. Prior to that it may have been an extremely dense singularity. It’s above my pay grade, but as far as I know most theories don’t have the universe come from nothing at the time of the Big Bang.

For what it’s worth, I like what Carl Sagan said on this matter:
Carl Sagan:
If the general picture, however, of a Big Bang followed by an expanding universe is correct - what happened before that? Was the universe devoid of all matter and then the matter suddenly somehow created? How did that happen? In many cultures, a customary answer is that a “God” or “Gods” created the universe out of nothing, but if we wish to pursue this question courageously we must, of course, ask the next question - where did God come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or if we say that God always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe always existed? There’s no need for a creation, it was always here. These are not easy questions. Cosmology brings us face to face with the deepest mysteries, with questions that were once treated only in religion and myth.
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Exodus 3:14

God replied to Moses: I am who I am. Then he added: This is what you will tell the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.

He is eternal, immortal, no beginning no end.
He IS.
 
Mike_from_NJ said:
It’s reasonable to argue that the universe may not have started to exist at the moment of the Big Bang, but that it only started to exist in that form at the moment of the Big Bang.
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If we imagine a universe which is shrinking as opposed to expanding, then any sentient life in that universe might surmise that everything will end up in a singularity and that it would be nonsensical to ask what happens after that point as time would cease to exist.

Then it expands again (the bounce) and any sentient life in that universe might surmise that everything started with a singularity and that it would be nonsensical to ask what happened before that point as time before that point did not exist.

Maybe the Hindus have it right and we live a cyclic, eternal existence.
 
omgriley said:
Could we please have a serious objection to God’s existence?
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If heaven is a sequence of finite events that go on forever, then God cannot timelessly know all physical events at once because there is no definite end to them. His knowledge would be progressive and not necessary in some respect. This would mean that either the Abrahamic conception of God is impossible or heaven is not a sequence of finite events that go on forever.

What say ye?
 
ANV said:
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No educated theist claims “everything has a cause.”

It’s “everything that comes into being has a cause.” Or “everything that is contingent has a cause.”
 
IWantGod said:
If heaven is a sequence of finite events that go on forever, then God cannot timelessly know all physical events at once because there is no definite end to them. His knowledge would be progressive and not necessary in some respect. This would mean that either the Abrahamic conception of God is impossible or heaven is not a sequence of finite events that go on forever.

What say ye?
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That Heaven is NOT a sequence of finite events that go on forever.

There you go.
 
Mike_from_NJ said:
For what it’s worth, I like what Carl Sagan said on this matter:
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And my respect for Sagan has dropped. All logically and systematically answered objections. And ones answered centuries if not millenia ago. It just shows a lack of any philosophical learning, as good of a scientist as he may have been.
 
Bradski said:
If we imagine a universe which is shrinking as opposed to expanding, then any sentient life in that universe might surmise that everything will end up in a singularity and that it would be nonsensical to ask what happens after that point as time would cease to exist.

Then it expands again (the bounce) and any sentient life in that universe might surmise that everything started with a singularity and that it would be nonsensical to ask what happened before that point as time before that point did not exist.

Maybe the Hindus have it right and we live a cyclic, eternal existence.
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Sometimes i think we are trapped in a loop. The same events are happening over and over again
 
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