Who goes to Hell? (All Religions Please Answer)

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dianaiad said:
Actually, he could have been far younger than that; in fact, the actual date is debated; between 68-69 and 95-98. As well, there is some textual evidence that indicates that the John who wrote the Gospel isn’t the John who wrote Revelation.

Suppose he is the John of the Gospel; Jesus died when He was 33. Though HE was born in year 0 (give or take two or three years) it doesn’t necessarily follow that the John who wrote Revelation was–or that the John who wrote the Gospel of John was; he could have been 10 to fifteen years younger.

So if Revelation was written in 68-69, John could well have been in his early fifties; not at all an impossible idea. Even if the book had been written around 95 or so, John could easily have been in his early 80’s…also not an impossible idea.

Diana, just musing…
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Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Consider the word “behind me” denoting something that took place in the past, as before the revelation of the vision.

Blessing’s, AJ

You might want to look at this verse concerning John’s vision:
 
look3467 said:
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Consider the word “behind me” denoting something that took place in the past, as before the revelation of the vision.

Blessing’s, AJ

You might want to look at this verse concerning John’s vision:
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May God bless all here. There was Loud Voice behind him, clear enough, don’t make it even harder to understand Scripture!!

And on the Lord’s day, almost everyone thinks that was a Sunday…however, there is no real evidence in Scripture that the Sabbath day had changed, the Change came later, after the Bible was written, THEN the the New Testament was scoured for proof when there was none.

John had his vision…on the Sabbath day. Michael.🤷
 
I’m answering from the perspective of Judaism.

If Hell is a place of eternal punishment, then there is no hell.

We are all judged. Our sins are weighed against our good deeds. Most people are salvagable. Before they can enter the World to Come, they spend time in Gehenna, which is roughly the same as Purgatory. It is a place of suffering but not so much as punishment as for learning and purification, beginning with the suffering of REMORSE.

Those who are unsalvagable are not eternally punished in some hell. Their souls are destroyed.
 
Prodigal_Child said:
I’m answering from the perspective of Judaism.

If Hell is a place of eternal punishment, then there is no hell.

We are all judged. Our sins are weighed against our good deeds. Most people are salvagable. Before they can enter the World to Come, they spend time in Gehenna, which is roughly the same as Purgatory. It is a place of suffering but not so much as punishment as for learning and purification, beginning with the suffering of REMORSE.

Those who are unsalvagable are not eternally punished in some hell. Their souls are destroyed.
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Well Wow I love this Forum, such a variety of discussion and chat. Please don’t stay a Prodigal Child, many a church would take you in…after all churches are ‘hospitals for sinners’ that is why we all attend…because we admit we are sinners and need the Lord’s help…to bind up our sores…

If Sodom and Gommorah was an example of Eternal Fire, which it was, then the Punishment is Eternal but the punishing does not last for eternity…Praise God!!

Another of the Weeds that were sown in the Church early on by the father of lies, when paganism married Christianity, starting with Constantine…which most Protestant Churches have also hung on to. Forever and ever is for God only, human beings it last only as long as life lasts…

We are judged on whether we have accepted the sacrifice of the ‘Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world’!! Whether Jew or Greek, Roman Catholic or Protestant. The Jewish sanctuary services were stories, parables to point toward the True Lamb: displaying the Plan of Salvation made before the world was even created!!! For God knew sin would spoil His perfect Creation…He was PREPARED!!!

May God bless all here. Michael.👍
 
I honestly can’t say there likely are lots of Hells in the Multiverse so I would say it depends on the laws of those realms and if they are really for eternal punishment or not, Since according to the theory of parallel universes you would in fact have millions of each person its clear some might go to Hell and some not. Would it be eternal those passages earlier seem to stick people in the Lake of Fire but that is not stated for Eternity maybe they will eventually get out.

Catholics have Purgatory after all so its possible.and in oriental beliefs one can work their way slowly out of Hell the same for other religions.
 
Brother2 said:
May God bless all here. There was Loud Voice behind him, clear enough, don’t make it even harder to understand Scripture!!

And on the Lord’s day, almost everyone thinks that was a Sunday…however, there is no real evidence in Scripture that the Sabbath day had changed, the Change came later, after the Bible was written, THEN the the New Testament was scoured for proof when there was none.

John had his vision…on the Sabbath day. Michael.🤷
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John wrote after Jesus was resurrected thus the voice behind him.What John saw to describe is all that Jesus went through in works to bring salvation to mankind.

The very fist verse states: "Rev 1:1 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ”, those things that must shortly come to pass are given to John the Baptist to know when John was alive.

Then to the Apostle John, the same revelation, but this time after those things had come to pass, apparent beginning verse 4.

The symbolism in the book of Revelation are coded so that understanding can only be gained by God’s revealing it to us.

Jesus is the rider of all four horses in similitude.

The 4 beasts with six wings is the day Jesus worked (Crucifixion day) is a 2 hour day.

That day is a picture of 4 quarters each, 6 hours long equal to a 24 hour day.

That’s just he start.

As for he Lord’s day, it is that day!

That day it was Jesus’ day to bring salvation to the world.

The Lord’s day Sabbath is the Fathers days rest for the first creation.

Jesus also rested on the Sabbath of His new creation and ressurrected on the 1st day of the new week.

Blessing’s, AJ

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ready said:
To repent means to return to the Lord as far as I understand.
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Repent means to turn away from your sin and to turn back to the way of God. Repent doesn’t mean anything about believe X, Y, or Z. Those would be additional criteria.
 
Brother2 said:
Well Wow I love this Forum, such a variety of discussion and chat. Please don’t stay a Prodigal Child, many a church would take you in…after all churches are ‘hospitals for sinners’ that is why we all attend…because we admit we are sinners and need the Lord’s help…to bind up our sores…:
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Hi Michael:

Thank you for all your kind words. Please know that while I have certainly sinned in my life, I am forgiven and walking in God’s way. I was a Christian for 46 years, so I’m very familiar with what the teachings are; I simply don’t believe them anymore. Jesus is not for me. However, perhaps you are unaware that the basics, that we need to obey God, that we stumble, that God WANTS to forgive us and will do so if we repent because he is merciful and gracious, are all there in Judaism. A broken heart and contrite spirit God will not despise. He will remember my sins no more.

Shalom.
 
I do not know if their is a Hell, or anything like it, I do know, no one can escape death.
 
Prodigal_Child said:
Hi Michael:

Thank you for all your kind words. Please know that while I have certainly sinned in my life, I am forgiven and walking in God’s way. I was a Christian for 46 years, so I’m very familiar with what the teachings are; I simply don’t believe them anymore. Jesus is not for me. However, perhaps you are unaware that the basics, that we need to obey God, that we stumble, that God WANTS to forgive us and will do so if we repent because he is merciful and gracious, are all there in Judaism. A broken heart and contrite spirit God will not despise. He will remember my sins no more.

Shalom.
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Brother Prodigal Child…if you don’t believe in Jesus anymore then it becomes a problem, return to Him with your broken and contrite spirit indeed He will not despise, He will remember your sins no more,but the Bible is clear that he who returns to his own vomit, or goes back on his decision, is back to square one…one has to repent all over again…he wants to forgive us but only can when we return to Him…

Come back Prodigal Son, the Father is waiting for you, looking for you, His Spirit is asking and pleading with:( you…

Shalom. Peace on you home. Michael.🙂
 
look3467 said:
John wrote after Jesus was resurrected thus the voice behind him.What John saw to describe is all that Jesus went through in works to bring salvation to mankind.

The very fist verse states: "Rev 1:1 “The Revelation of Jesus Christ”, those things that must shortly come to pass are given to John the Baptist to know when John was alive.

Then to the Apostle John, the same revelation, but this time after those things had come to pass, apparent beginning verse 4.

The symbolism in the book of Revelation are coded so that understanding can only be gained by God’s revealing it to us.

Jesus is the rider of all four horses in similitude.

The 4 beasts with six wings is the day Jesus worked (Crucifixion day) is a 2 hour day.

That day is a picture of 4 quarters each, 6 hours long equal to a 24 hour day.

That’s just he start.

As for he Lord’s day, it is that day!

That day it was Jesus’ day to bring salvation to the world.

The Lord’s day Sabbath is the Fathers days rest for the first creation.

Jesus also rested on the Sabbath of His new creation and ressurrected on the 1st day of the new week.

Blessing’s, AJ

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O dear AJ such a mess, talk about re interpreting Scripture…get a grip on yourself man, whenever possible God uses plain language to communicate with us, only when it is obviously figurative do we look for meanings…somehow I don’t think Lord Jesus would ride 4 horses…:rolleyes:

He rested on the Sabbath and started work on the first day…

Shalom. May God bless all hear. Michael.
 
Libertarian_FL said:
I honestly can’t say there likely are lots of Hells in the Multiverse so I would say it depends on the laws of those realms and if they are really for eternal punishment or not, Since according to the theory of parallel universes you would in fact have millions of each person its clear some might go to Hell and some not. Would it be eternal those passages earlier seem to stick people in the Lake of Fire but that is not stated for Eternity maybe they will eventually get out.

Catholics have Purgatory after all so its possible.and in oriental beliefs one can work their way slowly out of Hell the same for other religions.
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Good grief man, multiuniverses?? God is the Creator of the Universe(s) so His laws prevail…or maybe you jest with us Libertarian?? Unless you are a fool who believes in evolution…

Hell does no exist yet anyway, till the Judgement is over and the devil and those who rejected God’s offer of salvation are thrown into the Lake of Fire…eternal punishment BUT NOT punishing for eternity, humans only live until they die or are burnt up…only God is Eternal and lives Forever and ever…and He gives to those who accept His Salvation and inherit eternal life…praise God!

Shalom. Michael.
 
Brother2 said:
O dear AJ such a mess, talk about re interpreting Scripture…get a grip on yourself man, whenever possible God uses plain language to communicate with us, only when it is obviously figurative do we look for meanings…somehow I don’t think Lord Jesus would ride 4 horses…:rolleyes:

He rested on the Sabbath and started work on the first day…

Shalom. May God bless all hear. Michael.
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I didn’t expect your understanding my friend.

I do get allot of criticism of which is expected, but in all of it, my understanding is very generous towards those criticisms.

The four horses are symbolism’s of four things: 1. white = Gods righteousness in Christ (the word), (Faithful and True)

2nd. Red horse = taking peace from the earth = kill one another = smilitude of killing Cain and Cain being killed = blood requirement for sin.
  1. Black horse = balances, = judgment = condemnation
4th Pale horse =death.

Being that this is the testimony of Jesus as per verse one of Rev. we can clearly see that that those four horses are the four stages of Christs work in the redemption work the day He died.
  1. Introduction = Jesus’ entrance into humanity
  2. Acquiring the sins of the world (Taking “this cup”)
  3. His Judgment = four courts, condemnation
  4. Jesus’ death = the beginnings of the new.
All this is very interesting, but you must be willing to leave your traditional ingrained beliefs and venture into a more deeper understanding of God’s word.

I notice that you are an Adventist, whose focus is on the seventh day.

Have you noticed how many references to the number seven are in the bible?

Hmmmmmm…have you wondered why?

It would seem to me that you of all all other beliefs, you would be on top of the number seven understanding.

Clue: The number 7 is the center of all understanding of the word of God, for there in, you will find the reason for the two Adams.

Blessing’s, AJ
 
Prodigal_Child said:
I’m answering from the perspective of Judaism.

If Hell is a place of eternal punishment, then there is no hell.

We are all judged. Our sins are weighed against our good deeds. Most people are salvagable. Before they can enter the World to Come, they spend time in Gehenna, which is roughly the same as Purgatory. It is a place of suffering but not so much as punishment as for learning and purification, beginning with the suffering of REMORSE.

Those who are unsalvagable are not eternally punished in some hell. Their souls are destroyed.
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I was under the impression that Jews didn’t actually consider the afterlife much–or if they did, they didn’t actually believe in one–or if they did, they didn’t know what it was.

I can’t get a whole lot of information on it from Jewish websites. If you have more information on Judaic beliefs about what happens after death, I would be very interested in knowing.
 
look3467 said:
I didn’t expect your understanding my friend.

I do get allot of criticism of which is expected, but in all of it, my understanding is very generous towards those criticisms.

The four horses are symbolism’s of four things: 1. white = Gods righteousness in Christ (the word), (Faithful and True)

2nd. Red horse = taking peace from the earth = kill one another = smilitude of killing Cain and Cain being killed = blood requirement for sin.
  1. Black horse = balances, = judgment = condemnation
4th Pale horse =death.

Being that this is the testimony of Jesus as per verse one of Rev. we can clearly see that that those four horses are the four stages of Christs work in the redemption work the day He died.
  1. Introduction = Jesus’ entrance into humanity
  2. Acquiring the sins of the world (Taking “this cup”)
  3. His Judgment = four courts, condemnation
  4. Jesus’ death = the beginnings of the new.
All this is very interesting, but you must be willing to leave your traditional ingrained beliefs and venture into a more deeper understanding of God’s word.

I notice that you are an Adventist, whose focus is on the seventh day.

Have you noticed how many references to the number seven are in the bible?

Hmmmmmm…have you wondered why?

It would seem to me that you of all all other beliefs, you would be on top of the number seven understanding.

Clue: The number 7 is the center of all understanding of the word of God, for there in, you will find the reason for the two Adams.

Blessing’s, AJ
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Another view of the 4 horses is that they are a picture of the history of Christianity, changing from persecution and death…um mostly at the hands of Rome, Pagan and Papal to periods of peace.

As regards the number 7 it is the number of God, the perfect number, the week is perfect as Created by God, and rested on the Seventh in Genesis chap 2, long before the Jew ever existed…‘the Sabbath was made for Man not Man for the Sabbath’.

Who goes to hell? :Those who have rejected the Gift of Salvation offered by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.😉
 
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