who goes to hell

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i know Christ is the final decider but it seems like everyone goes to heaven yet clearly as far as i can tell in the bible it seems to indicate that there will be many people in hell so who goes to hell i do not wish to start a argument but i want a catholic response of who the church has traditionally held will go to hell or something along those lines if you know what the church teaches on this please let me know
 
The church has never declared anyone in hell. They have declared that certain people are most certainly in Heaven, but it has never said any specific human that has died is definitely in Hell.

Not everyone will get to Heaven. As Catholics we believe that we don’t judge who will go to Hell only God does. The church teaching tells you what you have to do to get to Heaven, so we know what to do, and what is expected of us, all of which relies on faith in Jesus Christ as the cornerstone.

We are saved, we are being saved, and we have hope that we WILL be saved.
 
just seems to me that there are people who do nothing in the least of what the church and the bible teaches one must do to get to heaven and i believe God will keep his word that those who do what he tells us to to have salvation will be in heaven but wouldnt that follow that those that have been told the truth regardless of weather they believe it and do not follow it would go to hell
 
Those who die in a state of mortal sin go to hell. That is the Church’s teaching.
 
Only God knows the heart. There will be people who do go, as we can see from Revelations there are those whose name is not in the book of life. We just don’t know who they are. We can look around and find people to judge and say look, how horrible their life is, they are doing such bad things… but we cannot say 'They are going to hell." We don’t know the status of their heart at the moment of death. We don’t know that they aren’t perfectly contrite. We just don’t know.

The church does not teach that everyone will get to Heaven. That is universalism which Catholics definitely do not believe. It simply teaches that we can say someone is sinning, we can point them to the Sacred Scriptures and to the Tradition, we can try to help them find the grace they need… but that we shouldn’t try to judge where they are going on our own.
Those who die in a state of mortal sin go to hell. That is the Church’s teaching.
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Most definitely agree! It’s just not up to use to decide whose sins are mortal, it’s up to God.
 
If you want to read what the catechism says about heaven and hell you can go here:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm.

Simply put, those who die in God’s grace will go to heaven. Those who die in a state of mortal sin will go to hell. As mentioned by bmullins the church does say that some people certainly joined God in heaven (the saints) but it never makes a statement of who has been sent to hell.
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
what is a mortal sin to the church
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A mortal sin requires 3 conditions to be satisfied. Grave matter, full knowledge, full consent.
In short, if you know the Church teaches something is a sin of grave matter but you go ahead and commit the act anyway then you have committed a mortal sin.
 
had a thought if some one commits a mortal sin and wants to go to confession but cant and they die what would happen
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
had a thought if some one commits a mortal sin and wants to go to confession but cant and they die what would happen
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Only God knows. They could be forgiven, they could be condemned… it’s all a matter of what is in their heart.
  1. How can a person in mortal sin regain the state of grace before receiving the sacrament of Penance?
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A person in mortal sin can regain the state of grace before receiving the sacrament of Penance by making an act of perfect contrition with the sincere purpose of going to confession. - From the Baltimore Chatechism
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FutureCatholic1 said:
had a thought if some one commits a mortal sin and wants to go to confession but cant and they die what would happen
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If someone has true sorrow and repentance for mortal sin, but do not have the opportunity to go to sacramental confession, it is generally believed that this perfect contrition is adequate for the remission of that sin.
 
? does the bible give us the guidelines on who to get to heaven and didn’t Christ promise it to those in john 3:16 not talking about works and faith but salvation now if im right correct me if im wrong but if someone does not follow the guideline wouldn’t they go to hell
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
? does the bible give us the guidelines on who to get to heaven and didn’t Christ promise it to those in john 3:16 not talking about works and faith but salvation now if im right correct me if im wrong but if someone does not follow the guideline wouldn’t they go to hell
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The way to get to Heaven is to follow the teachings of the Church.
You can only get to Heaven if you die in a state of grace. If you die in a state of mortal sin you go to Hell.
 
The Church teaches that hell is a possibility. The Church makes no comment on the actual population of hell. It could very well be zero. Or it could be millions or billions. All we can do is Trust God that all is well.
 
CathCrusader said:
There is a go around. If you wear the Scapular and pray the prayers, you will go to Heaven the first Saturday after you die. There is some audio on it by John Haffert, the founder of the Blue Army of Fatima:

advancedchristianity.com/Pages/Haffert/Haffert_005_Scalpular.htm

God Bless
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This is nonsense.
Wearing a sacramental and praying certain prayers does NOT mean you will be saved. There is no such thing as salvation assurance. That contradicts Church teachings.
You are only saved if you die in a state of grace.

By the way the site you gave a link to also promotes The Poem of The Man God which was on the Index of Forbidden Books.
 
thistle said:
This is nonsense.
Wearing a sacramental and praying certain prayers does NOT mean you will be saved. There is no such thing as salvation assurance. That contradicts Church teachings.
You are only saved if you die in a state of grace.
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St. Simon Stock wrote that Our Lady of Mount Carmel said: “Take, beloved son this scapular of thy order as a badge of my confraternity and for thee and all Carmelites a special sign of grace; whoever dies in this garment, will not suffer everlasting fire. It is the sign of salvation, a safeguard in dangers, a pledge of peace and of the covenant”

Wishing everyone a very Blessed Christmas
 
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St. Simon Stock wrote that Our Lady of Mount Carmel said: “Take, beloved son this scapular of thy order as a badge of my confraternity and for thee and all Carmelites a special sign of grace; whoever dies in this garment, will not suffer everlasting fire. It is the sign of salvation, a safeguard in dangers, a pledge of peace and of the covenant”
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That is highly unlikely.

Tradition holds that the words of the “promise” on each Scapular were dictated by St. Simon Stock to his secretary, Peter Swanyngton, in 1251. However, although the Scapular itself is well documented, there is no historical record of this “promise” before 1642 - nearly 400 years later!

In all likelyhood, the “promise” was added much later as a pious expectation of the wearer’s disposition and fate if the wearer lives in accordance with the principles of the Carmelite Order. But, unlike the scapular itself, the “promise” almost surely did NOT originate with Our Lady or St. Simon Stock. As such, it has no place on the obverse of the Scapular. The obverse should be empty, as is common on other scapulars.

IMHO, this “promise” has given rise to much superstition. I wish it would be removed from the Brown Scapular - it has no place there. It may have once been a pious expectation written by some well-meaning abbot, but it has devolved into a superstitious myth and historical fraud. The respected Orders of Mt. Carmel (OC and OCD) should desist anything which perpetuates this myth.
 
According to a pious tradition the Blessed Virgin appeared to St. Simon Stock at Cambridge, England, on Sunday, 16 July, 1251. In answer to his appeal for help for his oppressed order, she appeared to him with a scapular in her hand and said: “Take, beloved son this scapular of thy order as a badge of my confraternity and for thee and all Carmelites a special sign of grace; whoever dies in this garment, will not suffer everlasting fire. It is the sign of salvation, a safeguard in dangers, a pledge of peace and of the covenant”. This tradition, however, appears in such a precise form for the first time in 1642, when the words of the Blessed Virgin were given in a circular of St. Simon Stock which he is said to have dictated to his companion secretary, and confessor, Peter Swanyngton. Although it has now been sufficiently shown that this testimony cannot be supported by historical documents, still its general content remains a reliable pious tradition; in other words, it is credible that St. Simon Stock was assured in a supernatural manner of the special protection of the Blessed Virgin for his whole order and for all who should wear the Carmelite habit, that the Blessed Virgin also promised him to grant special aid, especially in the hour of death, to those who in holy fidelity wore this habit in her honour throughout life, so that they should be preserved from hell. And, even though there is here no direct reference to the members of the scapular confraternity, indirectly the promise is extended to all who from devotion to the Mother of God should wear her habit or badge, like true Christians, until death, and be thus as it were affiliated to the Carmelite Order.

princeofpeacetaylors.org/article92289.htm

Wishing all a very Blessed Christmas
 
The key here is “who in holy fidelity”. As at the marriage of Cana, even though it was the Virgin who petitioned Christ to do the miracle, she did not point to herself or tell the servants to listen to her, she said “Do whatever He tells you.” Fidelity to the Virgin means fidelity to her son whom she always directs us to. Fidelity to the son means fidelity to the church.

It’s not a go around. It’s simply a promise that if you are faithful to what Mary stands for (which is Christ) then you will get to Heaven.
 
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