Did I miss your response to the people who posted against the “important” things that you claim to be accurate #266?On the important things no, it was pretty accurate and that’s what I was looking for.
I don’t count wax candles and other miscellaneous things as important.
I agree,. but for every bad one there were 50 good ones and 10 exceptional one’s. Not a bad track record eh?
Hey, out of the original 12 Apostles, there was a fellow named Judas…I agree,. but for every bad one there were 50 good ones and 10 exceptional one’s. Not a bad track record eh?
There are many Christians who say, just as you do, that they believe the message of salvation and that they rely on the Holy Spirit for their interpretation of the Bible, which they say tells them that it’s OK to perform abortions and commit sodomy. So they do these things and insist that they are “saved”. Is that OK with you? If not, why not?Yes, I follow the commandments to the best of my ability and I try to lead a life worthy of God every day:thumbsup: I dont presume anything. I trust what God has put forth in His Word.
They are wrong and obviously need to read their bible. There are also many people who claim to have the HS and their actions and words show otherwise. Someone who says they are saved and then goes against what the bible teaches, I would say needs to take a long hard look at themselves. There are many people that sit in all churches around the world and claim to be saved but are not. Including my church and yours.
AFH, I think Petergee’s point is: how do you know your interpretation is correct and the other person is wrong? Both of you are reading the Bible, praying to the Holy Spirit, and trying to discern the truth. Yet you come to opposing answers.They are wrong and obviously need to read their bible. There are also many people who claim to have the HS and their actions and words show otherwise. Someone who says they are saved and then goes against what the bible teaches, I would say needs to take a long hard look at themselves. There are many people that sit in all churches around the world and claim to be saved but are not. Including my church and yours.
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Maybe I thought I did but it didnt help you Sorry
). I have studied baptism and I have come to the conclusion that baby baptism does not save someone. The Scriptures just dont teach that.You say they need to read their Bible, but I know people who read the Bible in the original Greek and Hebrew, who have gone to every kind of Bible school, and taken every kind of Theology classes, who say that the Bible never actually condemns (or even mentions) born-as-homosexuals from marrying each other (though it does condemn sodomy and homosexual-type acts in heterosexuals) and that abortion, birth control, and even child exposure (killing a newborn child by leaving her outside, exposed to the elements) is never directly condemned anywhere in the Scriptures.
I would say it doesnt matter how long you have read or studied the bible or gone to seminary or become a priest or bishop or anything else. If you do not have the HS in you you cannot and will not intrepret Scripture correctly.
I can only do my part and that is to show people the fruit of the spirit(Galations 5:22) and only hope people will notice I am different from the way the world thinks.So, would you say that my friend (he’s actually my husband’s pastor) is either lying or self-deceived when he says he has the Holy Spirit, and that he is interpreting the Scriptures through the power of the Holy Spirit, given personally to him because he read about it in the Scriptures and believed it?I would say it doesnt matter how long you have read or studied the bible or gone to seminary or become a priest or bishop or anything else. If you do not have the HS in you you cannot and will not intrepret Scripture correctly.
As far as your last paragraph goes—that is why it is important for christians who do have the HS in them to produce the fruit of the spirit so non-christians can tell we are different and that we have something they want. There is SOOO much corruption out there everywhere that truly does inhibit people from finding God
Hi,So, would you say that my friend (he’s actually my husband’s pastor) is either lying or self-deceived when he says he has the Holy Spirit, and that he is interpreting the Scriptures through the power of the Holy Spirit, given personally to him because he read about it in the Scriptures and believed it?
He seems so sincere, and so loving!! He often gives to the poor, and he’s patient with fools, he’s peaceful, and he’s always so kind to everyone, and so joyful all the time - could it really be that this kind, loving, joyful Christian believer hasn’t got the Holy Spirit at all, but some other spirit?
And if it could happen to him, couldn’t it happen to someone else, too?
which means they will be judged more harshlySo, the Holy Spirit could be using him to teach sexual immorality, while at the same time using other people to uphold the more traditional Christian standards? (Does that seem to you like something the Holy Spirit would do?)
I thought you said before that everyone has the Holy Spirit in them to know the Truth of God’s Word without needing a teacher?
Although I would give them the benefit of the doubt because they are teaching God’s Word. Actually I feel sorry for them if they are not indwelled with the HS because they are held to a higher standard by God
I’m not asking you to judge whether they will go to Heaven or not, but whether you would have them for your teacher, or not.Well, that was a long winded I wont make a judgement call.
Im not really sure how to answer this.
I think you’re making progress.Im not really sure how to answer this.
They would say that YOU are wrong and need to read the Bible to see that THEY are right.
You’re definitely wrong there. I have met many thousands of Catholics, practising, non-practising, good and bad. Not one Catholic has ever claimed to me that he is “saved”. We all believe we are, as the Bible says, “working out our salvation” and only if we “endure to the end will we be saved”.There are also many people who claim to have the HS and their actions and words show otherwise. Someone who says they are saved and then goes against what the bible teaches, I would say needs to take a long hard look at themselves. There are many people that sit in all churches around the world and claim to be saved but are not. Including my church and yours.
Yet less than 200 years after Christ they were writing specifically about infant baptism and how to do it? Or didn’t the Holy Spirit truly reside in anyone for over 1800 years until a “believers baptism” began to be taught? Or?Hi,
Im sorry I didnt answer your question
Honestly, when I was looking for a church that would teach me the truth as I believed it to be I visited and I asked for their doctrine of faith. If it matched the bible(as I understand the bible)that is where I went. I understand people have opposing views. The thing of it is all side think they are right so, what I do is go back to the bible. If one side tells me something that simply is not in the bible I x them off my list(for that doctrine) and so on. If I am told something that is in the bible but questionable–I study it and pray and the HS has not let me down.
As far as baptism, the bible is silent on the baby issue however, when baptism is mentioned it also mentions that one must believe and repent. So from a logical standpoint I would say an infant cant do that so I would believe a believers baptism which can be a child–age depends on how much a child knows. Some kids get it at 5. My son is 8 and only begining to get it. There is nothing in the bible about a parents intention(Iforget what catholics call it
Ultimately, I think the answer is always go back to the bible. Also, people are going to venture to a side they grew up with and they feel comfortable with until the HS moves them. It really does take studying the bible and discerning for yourself. If you truly have the HS then God will lead you to where He wants you to be and it may be a baptist church, catholic,methodist etc. Keep in mind that if a person does not have the HS in them they are unable to intrepret the Scriptures clearly.
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Well like I have said before, there were false teachings going on while the Apostles were still teaching, so it doesnt surprise me that in less then 200 years infant baptism started.
And took God 1600 years to fix?Hi,
Well like I have said before, there were false teachings going on while the Apostles were still teaching, so it doesnt surprise me that in less then 200 years infant baptism started.