Who Has Authority?

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MariaG said:
You are asking us to prove something that the Catholic Church does not believe.

If a person recieves all the grace from God through the sacraments but as an adult does not believe, that grace is rejected. Grace is a free gift from God, but we are free to reject it anytime. Lack of belief as an adult would be a rejection of any grace that they may have recieved because of the faith of the parents before they were able to speak for themselves.

Infants recieve the Grace from God based on the faith of the parents. But if as an adult or after the age of reason, the adult or older child chooses to reject that Grace, they are free to do so and will not be saved unless they choose to repent.

The Sacraments are visible signs of God’s miracles not superstitious nonsense that if one “does” them all right, a person will still go to heaven without having faith that Christ is Lord.
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Thank you Maria,
The problem is there are catholics here who must not know then what the CC teaches because they tell me differently–so it is confusing for me:confused: I am doing my best to understand it is just I keep getting conflicting responses–so you see my dilemma.😦
 
ALLFORHIM said:
No I would never condemn the sacrements. I guess I dont understand how they would help you believe:confused: Well probably because Im not catholic nor was never raised one so I really cant understand because of never going through them.😉
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They are conduits of God’s grace.

I bashed my head really hard a while ago (I fell on ice and knocked myself out), and I received the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick. I still have a big bump on my head, but I feel quite well, I’m getting my work done, and I don’t have any headaches from it - this is part of the power of the Sacraments, is that they can bring healing, or if not total healing, at least they enable us to cope and live normal lives in spite of the injury or sickness that we have.

Of course I also went to the hospital, but after giving me some tests, they said, “Well, it looks a lot worse than it is - you’re fine,” and they sent me home. I’ve been receiving the Eucharist every day, as well, and I also went to Confession - it helps, quite a bit, and beats the heck out of filling up my body with painkillers and whatnot.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Jesus is talking to seventy-two men of whom we have no idea who he is talking about other then they are His Ambassadors and people must listen to the Gospel message of Christ or they are rejecting the message. Again, Apostolic succession cannot be proven from this verse.
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I thought your question was something about Tradition being God-breathed…no? :confused:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Thank you Maria,
The problem is there are catholics here who must not know then what the CC teaches because they tell me differently–so it is confusing for me:confused: I am doing my best to understand it is just I keep getting conflicting responses–so you see my dilemma.😦
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Probably because it works in a cycle, faith and the Sacraments working together.

The more we use the Sacraments, the more faith we gain, and the more faith we gain, the more valuable the Sacraments become for us, and the more we use them, and the more faith we get, the more we use the Sacraments, and onward and upward, forever and ever, Amen. 🙂
 
jmcrae said:
They are conduits of God’s grace.

I bashed my head really hard a while ago (I fell on ice and knocked myself out), and I received the Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick. I still have a big bump on my head, but I feel quite well, I’m getting my work done, and I don’t have any headaches from it - this is part of the power of the Sacraments, is that they can bring healing, or if not total healing, at least they enable us to cope and live normal lives in spite of the injury or sickness that we have.

Of course I also went to the hospital, but after giving me some tests, they said, “Well, it looks a lot worse than it is - you’re fine,” and they sent me home. I’ve been receiving the Eucharist every day, as well, and I also went to Confession - it helps, quite a bit, and beats the heck out of filling up my body with painkillers and whatnot.
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Im glad you are ok I will pray for you to continue to heal and fell better:thumbsup:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Thank you Maria,
The problem is there are catholics here who must not know then what the CC teaches because they tell me differently–so it is confusing for me:confused: I am doing my best to understand it is just I keep getting conflicting responses–so you see my dilemma.😦
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I don’t think it is so much that they are telling “false” teachings per se, but they are using a language that is foreign to you. As a former Evangelical, sometimes I read posts and immediately “see” that a post will be rejected and not understood because of the word choice.

People like James Akin and Scott Hahn are very good at “breaking the language barrier” that Protestants and Catholics seem to get into so “speak” past each other.

And so I do see your dilemma.

You might want to get some copies of things from those guys above or look at some of the online resources from them. It can help you to understand what the Catholic teachings are. And then when people post things that seem to contradict what you think you have learned, you can say, “I am hearing you say this which seems to contradict what Akin said?” and people can clarify.

While there are a few loose screws in these forums, for the most part we are just Catholics with an internet addiction:p who are doing are best to share the “official teachings” of the Catholic Church.

Sometimes we explain things well, others times not. And sometimes, even though they/we do not know it, do not understand well enough and so have faulty explanations that are not in fact in line with “official” Catholic teachings.

Your sister in Christ (and age:p ),
Maria
 
MariaG said:
I don’t think it is so much that they are telling “false” teachings per se, but they are using a language that is foreign to you. As a former Evangelical, sometimes I read posts and immediately “see” that a post will be rejected and not understood because of the word choice.

People like James Akin and Scott Hahn are very good at “breaking the language barrier” that Protestants and Catholics seem to get into so “speak” past each other.

And so I do see your dilemma.

You might want to get some copies of things from those guys above or look at some of the online resources from them. It can help you to understand what the Catholic teachings are. And then when people post things that seem to contradict what you think you have learned, you can say, “I am hearing you say this which seems to contradict what Akin said?” and people can clarify.

While there are a few loose screws in these forums, for the most part we are just Catholics with an internet addiction:p who are doing are best to share the “official teachings” of the Catholic Church.

Sometimes we explain things well, others times not. And sometimes, even though they/we do not know it, do not understand well enough and so have faulty explanations that are not in fact in line with “official” Catholic teachings.

Your sister in Christ (and age:p ),
Maria
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Thanks Maria always a joy to talk with you.👍
 
Blue_Serenity said:
Tell me where I denied oral traditions? Of course everything contained in scripture was orally passed down since it was several hundred years after Jesus died before the Bible was even composed.
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My apologies. I was on a roll and got carried away.

Still, by accepting the 27 book canon of the New Testament you accept the authority of the Catholic Church that selected the canon.
 
RNRobert said:
My apologies. I was on a roll and got carried away.

Still, by accepting the 27 book canon of the New Testament you accept the authority of the Catholic Church that selected the canon.
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And it is also still an Oral Tradition that these books, out of all that have ever been written, are in fact the Word of God, and that any not included are not.

Without the Oral Tradition to tell us about the Bible, we would have no Bible.
 
RNRobert said:
My apologies. I was on a roll and got carried away.

Still, by accepting the 27 book canon of the New Testament you accept the authority of the Catholic Church that selected the canon.
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Of course. I never denied that either. :nope:
 
Blue_Serenity said:
Of course. I never denied that either. :nope:
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Then we get back to my OP: If you accept that the Catholic Church was able to teach the faith without error before the NT was compiled; if you accept that the Catholic Church was able to compile the NT without error, then why can’t you trust the very same Catholic Church to interpret said Scripture without error?
 
RNRobert said:
Then we get back to my OP: If you accept that the Catholic Church was able to teach the faith without error before the NT was compiled; if you accept that the Catholic Church was able to compile the NT without error, then why can’t you trust the very same Catholic Church to interpret said Scripture without error?
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I might be able to sooner than you think. 🙂 It’s part of some studying that I’m doing, personally. Just have patience, my friend. 👍
 
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