Who heard all of today's second reading?

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Just curious - in our Missalettes, the second paragraph of today’s second reading (Colossians 3:12-21) is bracketed and can be omitted for the “shorter version” even though the “longer version” is only two paragraphs long. Of course, the bracketed section (3:18-21) includes Paul’s discussion of wives being subordinate to husbands, husbands loving wives and children obeying parents.

In the Mass I attended, the bracketed paragraph was not read. I am wondering how it is handled elsewhere. I sense a great deal of apprehension regarding the passage, and yet I know that the message conveyed is central to the Theology of the Body, in that the submission within the marriage is an emulation of Christ himself. It is a tricky passage, and I guess avoidance of it is one strategy.

So did people hear it today? Did anyone dare to preach about in the homily? Again, just curious.
 
Yes, the bracketed portion was read at the Mass that I attended. The deacon went on to say that “submit” does not mean what we at first may think it means. I forget exactly what he said about it, but I remember reading in that past that it meant to support their husbands in their mission. Also, he mentioned that men must be welling to die for their wives.

I just found a former thread about this verse and it seems to be helpful in explaining it: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=216594
 
I am sure that there has been a time in the last ten years that I have attended this parish that the extended version *wasn’t *read. But I can’t think of once.

We always hear the entire reading, regardless of how long it is.
 
No, in recent years when this reading is up…this portion has not been read in my parish. Although, for the most part any of the bracketed portions of the readings that are present have not been read as well.
 
Our last parish never used the long version, but our current parish did.
 
CallMeDad said:
Just curious - in our Missalettes, the second paragraph of today’s second reading (Colossians 3:12-21) is bracketed and can be omitted for the “shorter version” even though the “longer version” is only two paragraphs long. Of course, the bracketed section (3:18-21) includes Paul’s discussion of wives being subordinate to husbands, husbands loving wives and children obeying parents.

In the Mass I attended, the bracketed paragraph was not read. I am wondering how it is handled elsewhere. I sense a great deal of apprehension regarding the passage, and yet I know that the message conveyed is central to the Theology of the Body, in that the submission within the marriage is an emulation of Christ himself. It is a tricky passage, and I guess avoidance of it is one strategy.

So did people hear it today? Did anyone dare to preach about in the homily? Again, just curious.
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yup, i heard it.
 
The mass I went to today was in Spanish, which I can fairly understand, and it was all read. The priest gave a straightforward homily about the family, but sadly I didn’t understand all of it. I wish I could have.
 
I’m in Mexico, and I didn’t see it bracketed like it used to be in the US. It was read in its entirety, and nobody batted an eye.
 
and allow me to add. it’s not just sumbissions to anything either. it’s supposed to be sub mission as if to christ. the sentence right after tells husbanmds to love their wives as christ loved the church. it does not men all women submit to men who are abusers, adulters, that kind of thing even in a marriage.

both parties can fall short. wives can have a her way or no way philosophy or husbands can have a tyranical rule. either of those is not ok.
 
I don’t think it was read, but not sure. The Lector wasn’t close enough to the microphone, and having hearing aids, with the Christmas wreaths on the Ambo, I couldn’t see her lips! The Priest did speak of families and relationships though, but it was also the Feast of the Holy Family, so not sure he even referenced the second reading. Mostly told some tales of his father when he was a boy. I didn’t catch all of it.
 
CallMeDad said:
Just curious - in our Missalettes, the second paragraph of today’s second reading (Colossians 3:12-21) is bracketed and can be omitted for the “shorter version” even though the “longer version” is only two paragraphs long. Of course, the bracketed section (3:18-21) includes Paul’s discussion of wives being subordinate to husbands, husbands loving wives and children obeying parents.

In the Mass I attended, the bracketed paragraph was not read. I am wondering how it is handled elsewhere. I sense a great deal of apprehension regarding the passage, and yet I know that the message conveyed is central to the Theology of the Body, in that the submission within the marriage is an emulation of Christ himself. It is a tricky passage, and I guess avoidance of it is one strategy.

So did people hear it today? Did anyone dare to preach about in the homily? Again, just curious.
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The complete version was read in my parish. The sub mission, means to the body of Christ. The next line reads husbands love your wives, as to the love of Christ.
 
It was read today at the cathedral in Boise. We had a wonderful homily that tied all the readings together with regards to the feast day of the Holy Family. Our priest began his homily by saying he was going to discuss some uncomfortable topics, but that the truth of God’s message is not always easy to hear. He covered wives being “subordinate” by describing a marriage as a partnership where both spouses need to work together to lead the family to heaven. I know women sometimes have a hard time with this passage but I believe Father covered it perfectly. What I loved most about our homily today was that Father took the opportunity to talk about the evils of abortion. He also took time to remind us that God forgives us no matter what we have done and that if any one in the congregation has gone through this they only need to repent. It seems like sometimes priests get a bad wrap for not bringing up abortion often enough; today was not the case!!! Father closed with Pope Benedict’s prayer for the Holy family - what a beautiful mass today!!
 
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It is a tricky passage, and I guess avoidance of it is one strategy.

Did anyone dare to preach about in the homily?
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There were many themes that one might have preached, based on this Sunday’s readings. To find another theme, other than the one you identified, and preach it, is not ‘avoiding’ the theme you noted, nor does it imply that the preacher ‘dare[d]’ not preach this message. 😉
 
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I’m in Mexico, and I didn’t see it bracketed like it used to be in the US. It was read in its entirety, and nobody batted an eye.
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Same here in France. The reading is not bracketed so the entire passage was read. The deacon did preach extensively about it. 👍
 
We heard the entire reading. Father gave a great homily. There was a lot to talk about in the readings and the theme of the holy family! I think it must be very difficult to focus on just one topic.
 
I appreciate the feedback. I also appreciate the fact that the homilist cannot hit all of the topics, and is not necessarily avoiding a topic out of apprehension.

It still bothers me that this is the only instance I can think of where a passage is bracketed in the missalette based on the content of the reading, and not based on the length of the reading (at least that’s how it seems to me). In our parish, the verses are ignored each year, and I guess the bracketing suggests a second class status that would justify them being ignored. It is good to know that many other parishes address these verses, and put them in the proper context, and also dispel some of the misconceptions that exist.

Anyway, I promise to move on to some other pet peeve until this time next year.
 
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It was read today at the cathedral in Boise. We had a wonderful homily that tied all the readings together with regards to the feast day of the Holy Family. Our priest began his homily by saying he was going to discuss some uncomfortable topics, but that the truth of God’s message is not always easy to hear. He covered wives being “subordinate” by describing a marriage as a partnership where both spouses need to work together to lead the family to heaven. I know women sometimes have a hard time with this passage but I believe Father covered it perfectly. What I loved most about our homily today was that Father took the opportunity to talk about the evils of abortion. He also took time to remind us that God forgives us no matter what we have done and that if any one in the congregation has gone through this they only need to repent. It seems like sometimes priests get a bad wrap for not bringing up abortion often enough; today was not the case!!! Father closed with Pope Benedict’s prayer for the Holy family - what a beautiful mass today!!
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This is similar to my experience at the Mass I attended, although abortion was not mentioned. Our priest said that the wording was something like two sides of the same coin (my words, I don’t remember the exact words) and two ways to show Christ’s love, asking the same of both husband and wife, to keep the love of Christ between them. What I appreciated was that he said something along the lines of our earthly world offers so many ways of thinking of family that we need to focus on Christ. I really can’t remember close to the exact words, as he has a thick accent. I just tried to focus on the message and tie it all together. I felt blessed to hear the message. One word that sticks out is forgiveness.
 
The church we attended this past Sunday omitted it [we were at my in-laws’]. In all the other Masses I’ve ever attended the whole passage had been read. The priest actually made a joke about it being skipped: he asked the lector if he had read it, and the lector shook his head, and the priest laughed, “if I had had time before Mass I would’ve told you to read it.”

Basically, he said that submissive doesn’t mean what everyone thinks it does, waved his hand, and moved on with the homily, which focused on Joseph. He said Joseph doesn’t speak at all in the New Testament, which means he was a smart husband.
 
The whole passage was read for us. It was mentioned in the homily but not the focus.
 
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