Who here are LOTR fans?

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Haven’t read the books, but had to see the movies - not so much because I’m a LOTR fan, but because I live right here in Middle Earth - New Zealand! 🙂

Why doncha come on down and go on a tour of the filming locations? (But wait till our winter’s over!)

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AGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!! December??? NO!! I don’t know if I can stand the wait!!! LOL

I found some pics from the EE of ROTK if any one wants to see them e-mail or PM me, k??
Yes Viggo is a brilliant actor, but ELijah Wood, man. He’s the best there ever was.
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Sorry had a deep memory!! When ROTK won all the Acadamy Awards, they had all the peoples there come up, right?? well, all four hobbits were there. PJ was crying, Liv was crying, Phillipa was crying, adn so were the hobbits. As soon as I saw Sean, Bill, Dom adn Elijah with tears pouring down their faces, I started bawling too!!! LOL Oh it was a beautiful memory!!
If you go to The A. Awards web site, you might still be aable to find the vid. clip with the guys saying " And the Award for best motion picture goes to… THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETUSN OF THE KING!!!" he had to yell it because everyone was clapping and screaming so hard!!!
Myself included. LOL

my plan for the future???
I am writing to Peter Jackson (I have his addy) and asking If I can come to act as an exchange student and study Wing Nutfilms and all that. Wouldn’t that be too cool?!?!!?

ooohh!!! I just found this awesome website on LOTR adn Catholocism (sp?) www.mythictruth.com very good site!!

TTYL
KKaye016

Frodo: “Mordor, Gandalf? Is it left or right?”
Gandalf : “left”
 

I liked the films, on the whole - seeing the DVDs of the first two helped to show why certain choices had been made.​

I’ve read most of the books - I think I like the Silmarillion best, probably.

This is a very good site 🙂 ##
 
Sea Knight:
This past weekend, I watched all 3 of the LOTR movies, back to back. It was awesome. My six year old son really got into it too! (It was a bonding experience!).

Anyone know when the EE of Return of the King will hit the street?

How long did that take ? Listening to the 1981 BBC Radio Four adaptation takes about twelve hours - listening to the entire Tolkien canon (or so much as is so far available on radio) takes a bit longer :cool:

 
I consider myself a huge fan of LOTR, and even more so do I love Tolkien’s other books that go along with the Middle-Earth theme. The movies are excellent, but I do wish they had added Tom Bombadill in the movie. He is an excellent character in the first book, but I do understand that making a movie with all that Tolkien created in just those three books is a huge feat to take up on, but the director did a superb job at it with what he had. I especially love the artwork in the movie! My favorite is the creation of Rohan and the beautiful Celtic knots and design in the horse heads and the motifs all over the place. It was very appropriate!
 
I guess I’m a Ringer, too. (That’s what LOTR fans are called). I am so grateful that it was Peter Jackson who made the movies, and not the Disney people. Can you imagine a LOTR Disney cartoon?Singing and dancing cutsie Orcs…Gandalf as a befuddled bungler…and of course they’d have to throw in a wisecracking talking dragon for comic relief…
 
I liked the movies and am now reading them. I have just started Fellowship of the Ring. The Catholic Christian imagry is so obvious you could cut a knife through it. 🙂
 
Ed’ i’ear ar’ elenea! What a cool thread!

I’ve been a LOTR geek ever since I read the novels back in high school.

Lle quena i’lambe tel’ Eldalie?
 
Another fan here! I have read the LOTR trilogy a few times, as well as the Hobbit, but what I really love is The Silmarillion. The first two or three times, I had little notes all around me, because I was having trouble keeping track of Men and Elves. But it’s all pretty clear now. My wonderful husband gave me all LOTR gifts last Christmas, lots of books, maps, an encyclopedia. The Silmarillion really adds depth to the trilogy, and if you haven’t read it yet, I would really recommend it.
 
I’m a big fan of LOTR, but i wanted to see who thought what on this…

Who is more of a Christ figure in the movie, Gandalf or Frodo?
 
Neither are more or less of a Christ figure. They represent different stages in Christ’s life, and when you include Aragorn, you have the full spectrum of Christ’s life.

Frodo- Priest:
He performs the sacrifices needed to achieve the goals

Gandalf- Prophet: He is the guide and waymaker for the priest and company to fulfill their goals.

Aragorn- King: He is the culmination of the sacrifices of all.

[mythictruth.com(name removed by moderator)ages/Priest_Prophet_and_King.htm](mythictruth.com(name removed by moderator)ages/Priest_Prophet_and_King.htm)
 
Ah! My first post.

I saw this thread last night but before I could register & post, Shiann beat me to the point I wanted to make! Good job. And that’s the best simple breakdown of the 3 I’ve ever seen. BTW, notice that there’s 3 of them! A nice allusion to the Trinity by Prof Tolkien! The other characters in the Fellowship, & the other heroes, don’t have these specific Christ-like qualities, even though they make sacrifices, sometimes with their lives, in the war to defeat Sauron. Tolkien singles Frodo, Gandalf, & Aragorn out specifically. Pretty cool.
 
I, too am a LOTR (book) fan. But, I must admit I only read the books after seeing the first movie. I had known about the story for many years, but never read the book. After reading the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion I have a real appreciation of Tolkien’s characters.

My opinion of the movies are pretty much the same as those posted in this thread. I didn’t have as much objection of the omission of characters, places, and situations as I had with the alteration of characters without sufficent continuity and reason. For example, Treebeard; here is a character who has been around since the beginning of time, is filled with wisdom, and he decides not to fight and is “fooled” by a 40 something hobbit. Problem

The only objection I had with the omission of characters, places, and situations is that I think Mr. Jackson should have make mention of them in a way that he or someone else later on could have gone back with another movie and filled in what was missing. For example, when the hobbits arrived at Bree, they could have made mention of the adventure they just came from.

All in all, I like the movies but the books take you deeper into the human condition. I have read all the books to my kids before they watched the movie so they will have an understanding of the story and just not be entertained.

Kevin 👍
 
hi!!!

me 2, i’m a great fan of LOTR. something i enjoy as a mental exercise is to compare the movies and the book. i also enjoy figuring out the family lines etc. of the main characters, especially aragorn and arwen and the fact that they are descended from two other couples that were elf-man marriages!!
i think that tolkien did have christian influences-
  1. the idea of the one true god is undeniably christian.
  2. the idea of one of the valar becoming proud and going bad reminds me so much of lucifer( this is told of in the Valaquenta in Silmarillion)
  3. in silmarillion again, tolkien suggests that no matter what morgoth (the bad vala) does, it will turn to good by the plan and grace of the eru (iluvatar). this too sounds very christian.
  4. the elves’ constant and ceaseless yearning for the western land beyond the seas is, to me, a reflection of Pascal’s idea of a God-shaped vaccuum in each man’s heart.
    all in all, i really enjoyed the bok and loved silmarrillion too!!!
 
sorry I thought this thread was about Life on the Rock, my favorite show. Tolkien was in when I was in college in the olden days, I’m a little past it now.
 
justinianplague:
hi!!!

me 2, i’m a great fan of LOTR. something i enjoy as a mental exercise is to compare the movies and the book. i also enjoy figuring out the family lines etc. of the main characters, especially aragorn and arwen and the fact that they are descended from two other couples that were elf-man marriages!!
i think that tolkien did have christian influences-
  1. the idea of the one true god is undeniably christian.
  2. the idea of one of the valar becoming proud and going bad reminds me so much of lucifer( this is told of in the Valaquenta in Silmarillion)
  3. in silmarillion again, tolkien suggests that no matter what morgoth (the bad vala) does, it will turn to good by the plan and grace of the eru (iluvatar). this too sounds very christian.
  4. the elves’ constant and ceaseless yearning for the western land beyond the seas is, to me, a reflection of Pascal’s idea of a God-shaped vaccuum in each man’s heart.
    all in all, i really enjoyed the bok and loved silmarrillion too!!!
Just another similarity. Whenever the scriptures talk about going east, it is referring to a type of punishment to man from God. E.g. Adam and Eve were exiled east of the garden of Eden; Cain settled east after God confronted him for killing Able. “East” ment away from God.

The Elves rebelled against the Valar and went east. They are yearning for the Western lands. Also, man is not allowed to sail West, sort of like the way is shut to them.

Kevin :twocents:
 
Well of course Tolkien’s books are Christian influenced. I thought that was well known.

(It’s a very old joke that the Silmarillion is what the Bible could have been if it had better editors) 😉

My biggest problem with the books thought is that there is, to me at least, a very unchristian thing at its core…there does not appear to be any salvation once someone goes over to the dark side

Gollum is conflicted and fights with his dark side but in the end he gives in….as does Frodo.

The Dark Nunenoraians (sp), the Easterlings, the orcs, even the fallen Valar themselves. There is no hint that any of them ever get a chance to be saved.

The story that middle earth was essentially abandoned to Melkor and then to Souron for most of history and that many of the things in the world are their doing sort of smacks of Gnostisism to me.

The only one who pulls through is Sam. I suppose that since he is the Everyman character it is fitting that he survives temptation.

Just one of my pet peeves. Sorry. Never mind.
 
Steve Andersen:
Well of course Tolkien’s books are Christian influenced. I thought that was well known…My biggest problem with the books thought is that there is, to me at least, a very unchristian thing at its core…there does not appear to be any salvation once someone goes over to the dark side. Gollum is conflicted and fights with his dark side but in the end he gives in….as does Frodo…and that many of the things in the world are their doing sort of smacks of Gnostisism to me.
I can see what you mean, andI cannot speak to the history you speak of from the Silmarillion, but I disagree that there is “no salvation to those who cross over”. I’ll expand on this further, but I want to say that I completely agree with your next point and how it is only Sam who puts on the ring, uses it, and still chooses to give it up- completely. And then there is Faramir- who when tempted rejects it without a second thought. If I had to have any qualms with the way that P. Jackson made the movies, it would be in his lack of expanding on these two themes more, and really portraying this ability to completely triumph over the seduction of the ring.

I guess I belive Faramir is a parallel to Holy Mary in that he cannot even be tempted by the ring. I not only never has the stain of the ring, he never wants to. But I feel, like you, that Sam is the character that was designed by Tolkein, to be the one that each reader can closest relate to. And in that character, he put the temptation for “sin” that each of us holds, and actually had the character succomb to the sin- but overcome it! As we all should strive for knowing we may not be able to be as pure as Faramir.

Back to Frodo- I believe that the portrayal of Frodo in Mt. Doom closely follows the Passion of our Lord. Now even though he is not as pure of heart as our Lord, he nonetheless provides the story with the ‘sacrifice’ it needs. Except Frodo was not the perfect sacrifice in the story… at that point, Aragorn had assumed his rightful place as king and would have been the perfect sacrifice for ‘the dark side’ if Aragorn would have succombed. We could maybe say Frodo was the Cross at this point (if one might allow me to seperate the Cross itself from the carrier- Aragorn). And Jesus himself couldn’t carry the cross to Calvary himself… He needed assistance from Simon! Hence the support from Sam at the point where Frodo most needs it.

And don’t forget the banished army of men who were finally offered the opportunity to purge the stain from their souls by fighting on the Pelinor fields with Minas Tirith and Theoden’s army. The army that Aragorn seeks aid from at the Paths of the Dead. Aragorn had, again, claimed his place as King and was seeking redemption from those who had commited grave unloyalty. They fought, and were released to their final rest. I’d call that Salvation.
The only one who pulls through is Sam. I suppose that since he is the Everyman character it is fitting that he survives temptation.
Not just survives, but overcomes! 🙂 That is the hope for you and me!
Just one of my pet peeves. Sorry. Never mind.
I guess in the case of Gollum and the other badies in the stories- some people are good and turn evil (Saruman- possibly Gollum), and some people are born evil- and no amount of support and assistance can turn their hearts Orcs, Sauron, etc. But I guess that is as much a part of our realities as Salvation is. The lesson is that we can and must fight righteously to protect our Faith (Middle Earth) when being attacked by evil- and that we must silmultaneously strive to convert/love our enemy (Gollum) even when it seems hopeless.

Great post!
 
Another Salvation I remember in the story, was that of Boromir!

He succombed to the ring- didn’t even have to put the bloody thing on to feel its seduction! He was strong in body but weak in spirit. But even though he would have killed for the ring if given the opportunity, it was he who gave his life protecting his friends…

“There is no greater love than he who lays down his life for a friend…”

Hmmm…
 
I like to think of Boromir and Aragorn having an Adam to Christ relationship. Boromir represents men making the same old sinfull mistakes. Aragorn is the returning King and savior of his people. Boromir pays for his sins with death, and in his last breaths he tells Aragorn, Captain, and Lord save our people.
 
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