Who is Isa of the Quran?

[schaick]

Christians understand that the name Jesus = Latin form of the Greek Iesous and that
Iesous = transliteration of the Hebrew Jeshua, or Joshua.

The traditional Arabic name for Jesus, Iesous, Jeshua is Yasu. Arabic Christians have used Yasu for the name Jesus before the time of Islam.

Who is Isa, who is Esa in the Quran? Yusufali and Pickthal have translated Isa to be Jesus but Shakir keeps the name Isa:

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YUSUFALI: When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: “Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the disciples: "We are Allah’s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
PICKTHAL: But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).
SHAKIR: But when** Isa **perceived unbelief on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah’s way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones.

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YUSUFALI: Say: “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).”
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
SHAKIR: Say: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and** Isa** and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

Interesting read about different theories of why Mohammad used Isa in place of the true arabic Yasu:
answering-islam.org/Responses/Abualrub/true-name-isa.htm

 

[DaveBj]

“Isa” is another Arabic form if “Jesus.”

DaveBj (More Arabic classroom hours than I can count)

 

[GaryTaylor]

Jesus’ true name, according to the Qur’an, was ‘Isa. His message was pure Islam, surrender to Allah. (Âl 'Imran 3:84) Like all the Muslim prophets before him, and like Muhammad after him, ‘Isa was a law giver, and Christians should submit to his law. (Âl 'Imran 3:50; Al-Ma’idah 5:48) ‘Isa’s original disciples were also true Muslims, for they said ‘We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered. We are Muslims.’ (Al-Ma’idah 5:111)

“The word Christian is not a valid word, for there is no religion of Christianity according to Islam”. — www.answering-christianity.com

Today we increasingly hear and read that Christianity and Islam ‘share’ Jesus, that he belongs to both religions. So also with Abraham: there is talk of the West’s ‘Abrahamic civilization’ where once people spoke of ‘Judeo-Christian civilization’. This shift of thinking reflects the growing influence of Islam.

Islam regards itself, not as a subsequent faith to Judaism and Christianity, but as the primordial religion, the faith from which Judaism and Christianity are subsequent developments. In the Qur’an we read that Abraham ‘was not a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a monotheist, a Muslim’

And the debate sort of goes like that. And if you believe in this. you’ll believe in Pink Flying elephants.

This is a total lack of Historical fact of History and No Valid exidence supports it. On the contrary Biblical evidence is abundant, not only geography, archaeology but in prophecy.

The History of Israel alone ought to tell one something about Jesus Christ. Christ was a Jew not Arab, He taught the Rabbi’s of Israel. His coming is predicted by Isaiah exactly as it happened.

Isa may be some lose interpreation of what Islam “thinks” referrs to Jesus Christ. But there not substaniated Historical fact of Islam but from Mohammads times. The Catholic Church has the documented history dating back the Augustine and Africa, of the arabic nomads and cults. And we know Jesus Christ and exactly where He camne from and how.

Please lets not delute History unless you have time proven facts with connect authentic dating, with Archaeology and Geograph. Do you ahev that? And thet wouldn’t be in the Quran!

You don’t even have that eveidence with the Kaaba. thats some loose “maybe” it was like this theory? Through maps which do even indicate Kaaba, but some building in a general area?

Truth is it cannot be proven the Kaaba wasn’t purchased by Mohammed by the Pagans. Had I;sam not so protectine the Truth might be discovered than the World would help out. But these are close secret guarded secrets by Islam, Lord forbid we should find a different Truth:shrug:

All this corrupt websights need be condemned till we can actually come up factual eveidence. To add the the problem Ilsam diestroys any Christian Jewish history the come acroos.

Try to get cleaence to seach Israel in Egypt today? Thats been being denied over a decade. fact is they don’t want to know the truth unless it fits theri senerio?

Wheres the “real evidence”.

As each day pass’s this is just more confusing and a constant drum role of Half-Truths proclaimed as absolutes.

God Bless, Gary

 

[hamba2han]

Christians cannot even provide undeniable proof that the Jesus (pbuh) in the Bible really even existed, can they?

Muslims, on the other hand, can always point to Prophet Isa (pbuh) being mentioned in the Qur’an as proof that Jesus (pbuh) really did exist.

How come, Christians might ask?

Well, why else would a whole chapter in the Qur’an, the holy scripture written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess named Mariam the mother of Prophet Isa (pbuh), were it not for the fact that both mother and son really did exist and are accorded the utmost reverence in Islam… and especially when by comparison, we also consider the fact that the mother of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not mentioned at all in the Qur’an?

And so face it dear Christians, the fact that Prophet Isa (pbuh) and his mother Mariam are indeed mentioned and accorded the utmost reverence in the Qur’an, is really the strongest and most compelling evidence there is that the both of them really did exist in history.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Christians cannot even provide undeniable proof that the Jesus (pbuh) in the Bible really even existed, can they?

Muslims, on the other hand, can always point to Prophet Isa (pbuh) being mentioned in the Qur’an as proof that Jesus (pbuh) really did exist.

Christians have documented proof of Christs existence in Israel and the mentioned sights he visted are correct with Historic, Archaeological and Geographic fact during the Holy Week. Solomens Temple, Pool of Silaom, Sermon of the Mount, Garden of Olives etc, all coincide with NT scripture, and the Bishops writtings. Aside from the fact the temple was destroyed by the Romans exactly as He predicted. Apostle Paul and Peters tombs exist exactly where they are suppose to be. All the proceeding Bishops within that 100-year period left document writtings. The fact of Peter and Paul are confirmed in Jewish and Roman writting also.

What undeniable Proof does Islam have to confirm the above posts except Mohammad said so?

The only only thing not confirmed in Chirsts holy week is the actual path taken to the crucifixtion.

Matter of fact the History Channel just did documentry on this today. To confirm what is Historically accurate and what isn’t.

Scholars like E.P. Sanders, Geza Vermes, John P. Meier, David Flusser, James H. Charlesworth, Raymond E. Brown, Paula Fredriksen and John Dominic Crossan have variously argued that the gospel accounts of the baptism of Jesus, his preaching, and the crucifixion of Jesus, are generally deemed to be historically authentic. And also that He was born in Galilee. As I mentioned about there are aspects such as exact route taken to His death which are debated. Nonethless, evidence is abundant.

Non-Christian, non-Jewish sources (principally Roman, Greek). These consist of the writings of a number of Greek or Roman historians, and refer to the history of Jesus because of the trouble the Christian movement was causing in the empire at the time. The records are normally antagonistic, since they have nothing to gain by admitting the historicity of the events.

Jewish sources - Josephus, the Talmud. Josephus, a Jewish aristocrat turned politician, was recruited by the Romans during the first Jewish revolt to act as a mediator and write a historical record of events at the time. He records that Jesus was a wise man that did many wonderful works, and that many people - both Jews and Gentiles - followed after him. The Talmud, written by Jewish sources at the time, is (not surprisingly) unfriendly toward the founder of Christianity. The important point, however, is that Jewish sources do not deny that Jesus was a real historical figure – they only promote a different interpretation of of his conception.

Christian sources - the Gospels, early church fathers and historians. The four gospels - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - are judged by most scholars to be reliable, historical testimony of eye-witnesses. These gospels, as well as the Acts of the Apostles, the letters of Paul and the other Apostles, are judged to have been written from 40 A.D. to 100 A.D. – all within a few decades of the life of Jesus. The early church fathers were the leaders and teachers in the church who followed the apostles - many were also disciples of these same apostles.

Cornelius Tacitus (c. A.D. 55-120)

A Roman historian who lived through the reign of over a half-dozen Roman emperors1, Tacitus has been called "the greatest historian of ancient Rome. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. The Annals covers from 14 A.D. to approximately 68 A.D. (the death of Augustus up to the time of Nero), while Histories proceeds from 68 A.D. (Nero’s death) to 96 A.D. (the time of Domitian).

Here is what Tacitus wrote concerning the history of Jesus, and the existence of Christians in Rome:

“But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the price could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished with the most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also.”

Luke wrote the New Testament from a persoanal account with Mary and painted the first Madonna which still exits and is accuratley dated. Tha would be Mary with the baby Jesus btw. That was painted on a Table Christ built. Yea, His father Joseph was a carpenter. Kind of brings into doubt the story in the Quran, Maybe The quran Miriam and Isa where two different people? Confused with Jesus and Mary. Certainly is entirely different account and 600 years later. 6 decades later written by Arabs now Jews who would have had personal account.

Shroad of the Turin is another piece of physical eveidence. Never mind the accuracy in predictions.

Accounts look pretty good to me, what do you have to support the Quran account which is time dated. Anything by anyone not a muslim like above? Anything at all?

Muslims can point to the Quran? Thats the best you can do? Jesus was killed 600 years before Mohammad even heard about Jesus Chirst. Wouldn’t it make sense the facts would be wrong since Mohammad couldn’t write and would have heard about this from the Jews and Chistians. Sounds perfectly normal to me that he mixed up some of the facts. But the story affected him enough to document it when he could.

Its in the Quran? I won’t even acknowledge that as a valid agrument again. Sorry.

God Bless

 

[GaryTaylor]

BTW the History Channel is running a Special April 20th and the Nails of the Cross from Jesus found last week in Israel.

Don’t know much about it.

God Bless, Gary

 

[GaryTaylor]

Now Mohammad actually did write this in 638 and left it at St Catherines in Egypt. Its confirmed with the mark of his ring. {he couldn’t write}

This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).

Yet when you see something by him which is coherent and relates directly and exactly to his intention and state of mind. Its just ignored? Why is that?

Or does Islam consider this that last day? {Seven Year period}

God Bless Gary

 

[hamba2han]

I think that people are deliberately missing the point that I was making here.

Again, I ask the question:

Why would a whole chapter in a scripture revealed and written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess, bearing in mind the deep mistrust and animosity between Jews and Arabs that already existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?.. And if indeed the Qur’an was created or copied by Arab tribesmen, then why was not this same high honor of having a whole chapter named after her be given to the mother of Muhammad (pbuh) who of course was a member of an Arab tribe herself?

The answer is clear and simple i.e. the Jewess in question and her son named Isa (pbuh) did indeed exist in history and for them to be accorded the utmost reverence in an Arabic scripture is extremely strong and compelling evidence of the truth of their existence.

By comparison, what undeniable evidence if any can Christians provide of the historical existence of Mary of Nazareth?

 

[GaryTaylor]

I think that people are deliberately missing the point that I was making here.

Again, I ask the question:

Why would a whole chapter in a scripture revealed and written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess, bearing in mind the deep mistrust and animosity between Jews and Arabs that already existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?.. And if indeed the Qur’an was created or copied by Arab tribesmen, then why was not this same high honor of having a whole chapter named after her be given to the mother of Muhammad (pbuh) who of course was a member of an Arab tribe herself?

The answer is clear and simple i.e. the Jewess in question and her son named Isa (pbuh) did indeed exist in history and for them to be accorded the utmost reverence in an Arabic scripture is extremely strong and compelling evidence of the truth of their existence.

By comparison, what undeniable evidence if any can Christians provide of the historical existence of Mary of Nazareth?

When did the Arab Jesus and Mariam exist? Wheres the historical proof? What History coincides with the Quran version except for what followers of Islam state?

The only historical proof is Jesus was a Jew and Mary a Levite. Mary born before NT events and Jesus starts the NT events.

There are over 2500 Biographys on Mary in existence and accuracy. More venerated than anyone in the Arts which date to 1st century. There are literally thousand of paintings with Her and Jesus, the Annunciation, etc. With a great deal from 1-2nd and 3rd century.

For Mohammad to claim an arab Jesus and Miriam it would have have to be documented historic proof? Just like its is in Christianity. How do you you suppose all this appeared though time in History?

The greatest Emperiors in World History all mention Jesus Christ. read what Napoleon said about him. he was a History major. And every single one who tried to overthrow Christainity failed.

The question as to why would Mohammad wrote it, is insigificant without historic proof? Buts it certainly isn’t all correct because he said so without collaborating proof.

If there’s historic evidence I’d like to read it. I haven’t had the opportunity. No-ones missing anything. I fail to see how its possible Jesus or Mary were Arab. Matter of fact I believe its impossible.

 

[swariffin]

I think that people are deliberately missing the point that I was making here.

Again, I ask the question:

Why would a whole chapter in a scripture revealed and written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess, bearing in mind the deep mistrust and animosity between Jews and Arabs that already existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?.. And if indeed the Qur’an was created or copied by Arab tribesmen, then why was not this same high honor of having a whole chapter named after her be given to the mother of Muhammad (pbuh) who of course was a member of an Arab tribe herself?

The answer is clear and simple i.e. the Jewess in question and her son named Isa (pbuh) did indeed exist in history and for them to be accorded the utmost reverence in an Arabic scripture is extremely strong and compelling evidence of the truth of their existence.

By comparison, what undeniable evidence if any can Christians provide of the historical existence of Mary of Nazareth?

So, what is the proof the existence of Isa (forget about Jesus) in Quran, other than what was written in Quran, according to you?
The next question is what is the proof of Quran, other that what was said by Muhammad, according to you?

 

[elwill]

So, what is the proof the existence of Isa (forget about Jesus) in Quran, other than what was written in Quran, according to you?
The next question is what is the proof of Quran, other that what was said by Muhammad, according to you?

Jesus spoke Aramaic. Thus, the New Testament would have to be dependent upon it. Much of the Old Testament was in Aramaic as well, and the earliest Christian societies throughout Arabia from Palestine, to Syria, to Nabataea spoke Aramaic. So what is Jesus’ name in Aramaic?

• “Eesho M’sheekha” in Aramaic, taken directly from the “Peshitta”. The “Peshitta” is the Aramaic New Testament and closely resembles the language of Jesus.

Thus, Jesus would have even called himself “Eesho” or more specifically “`Eesaa” since the Northern Palestinian Jews pronounced the letter “shin” as “seen”.

The name “YASO’A” () for Jesus (pbuh) in the Arabic Bible is merely a transliteration of the Hebrew name “YESHUA” () and is therefore fallacious to claim that this is the correct Arabic name of Jesus (pbuh) since as originally said, Hebrew is not Jesus’ native tongue.

 

[jakasaki]

Jesus spoke Aramaic. Thus, the New Testament would have to be dependent upon it. Much of the Old Testament was in Aramaic as well, and the earliest Christian societies throughout Arabia from Palestine, to Syria, to Nabataea spoke Aramaic. So what is Jesus’ name in Aramaic?

• “Eesho M’sheekha” in Aramaic, taken directly from the “Peshitta”. The “Peshitta” is the Aramaic New Testament and closely resembles the language of Jesus.

Thus, Jesus would have even called himself “Eesho” or more specifically “`Eesaa” since the Northern Palestinian Jews pronounced the letter “shin” as “seen”.

The name “YASO’A” () for Jesus (pbuh) in the Arabic Bible is merely a transliteration of the Hebrew name “YESHUA” () and is therefore fallacious to claim that this is the correct Arabic name of Jesus (pbuh) since as originally said, Hebrew is not Jesus’ native tongue.

Pulling an article from answering-christianity - dot com does not cut it…!!!

 

[hamba2han]

Pulling an article from answering-christianity - dot com does not cut it…!!!

Don’t like the message, just shoot the messenger… the messenger in this case presumably being answering-christianity - dot com.

No attempt whatsoever to refute the point of the message.

 

[hamba2han]

So, what is the proof the existence of Isa (forget about Jesus) in Quran, other than what was written in Quran, according to you?
The next question is what is the proof of Quran, other that what was said by Muhammad, according to you?

It would be pointless to engage in discussion which is based solely on circular reasoning as to which between the Bible and the Qur’an is the Truth.

Suffice to say however that the Christian belief in the historical existence of Mary of Nazareth is based entirely on faith alone and no other evidence.

Muslims, on the other hand, believe in the existence of Mariam the mother of Isa (pbuh), based not just on faith but also on sound logic which dictates that it is quite unimaginable that Arab tribesmen would willingly accept and revere a Jewess to be one of the greatest women who ever lived were it not for the fact that this Jewess and her son Isa (pbuh) really did exist in history.

 

[GaryTaylor]

It would be pointless to engage in discussion which is based solely on circular reasoning as to which between the Bible and the Qur’an is the Truth.

Suffice to say however that the Christian belief in the historical existence of Mary of Nazareth is based entirely on faith alone and no other evidence.

Muslims, on the other hand, believe in the existence of Mariam the mother of Isa (pbuh), based not just on faith but also on sound logic which dictates that it is quite unimaginable that Arab tribesmen would willingly accept and revere a Jewess to be one of the greatest women who ever lived were it not for the fact that this Jewess and her son Isa (pbuh) really did exist in history.

The only circular reasoning is yours. Attend the local Library by your home and begin a study of Mary though the 2500 Biographys which exist. Which isn’t to say the Bible is an accurate account of History and Prophecy. Let alone the venerated art which date 1st and 2nd century.

It didn’t arrive by accident. The only one who wouldn’t know and wasn’t there in History was Mohammad? Nor would he have been able to read the abundant teaching which already exited in his life, because he couldn’t read?

The Islamic proof is the Quran said so, so it must be because this is the word of Mohammad.

So here on this thread we are still waiting for the Islamic Historic Proof which coincides with History and Islamic teaching? Where does it exist? How could its exist when Paintings existed in the Byzantine Church from 2-AD? The Black Madonna was hidden in the catacombs before Chirstianity was legal, and they were feeding them to the lions in Rome in the time of Nero. Eventually it wound up in Poland an is credited to many miracles, healings and conversions their.

Apocryphal gospel called the Protevangelium of James, first written in Greek around the middle of the second century. The high status of the Protevangelium in the Eastern Church is attested by the survival of numerous manuscripts not only in Greek but also in Coptic (Sahidic), Syriac, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Old Church Slavonic, and Arabic translations.

This gospel attests to Marys parents in detal and the Virgin Birth which coincides with Bible. Its not part of the Bible, but nonetheless gives an idea of just how much information is out here in regards to the reality of Marys life and Her parents, and Her birth place.

Her fathers Tomb is venerated in Israel today.

Then there’s the Mystics writtings over the Centurys, then there’s the Visitation of Mary in Egypt at the Coptic Church {among other sights like Fatima} which btw healed and converted 1000’s of muslims. And was witnessed by over a quarter million in 1969. And 75-Thousand in Fatima in 1917. Then confirmed by a Miracle from God. People of ALL religions were there including no-religion and atheist.

What does the Quran have to confirm its promoted truth about Mary of Islam? What has happened in “History” to confirm the Quran teaching?

 

[dolphinlove]

Christians cannot even provide undeniable proof that the Jesus (pbuh) in the Bible really even existed, can they?

Muslims, on the other hand, can always point to Prophet Isa (pbuh) being mentioned in the Qur’an as proof that Jesus (pbuh) really did exist.

How come, Christians might ask?

Well, why else would a whole chapter in the Qur’an, the holy scripture written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess named Mariam the mother of Prophet Isa (pbuh), were it not for the fact that both mother and son really did exist and are accorded the utmost reverence in Islam… and especially when by comparison, we also consider the fact that the mother of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not mentioned at all in the Qur’an?

And so face it dear Christians, the fact that Prophet Isa (pbuh) and his mother Mariam are indeed mentioned and accorded the utmost reverence in the Qur’an, is really the strongest and most compelling evidence there is that the both of them really did exist in history.

And Christians have undeniable proof that the quran is not from God, therefore not a reliable source.
It says in the bible
2 cor 13 These people are counterfeit apostles, dishonest workers disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

14 There is nothing astonishing in this; even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

15 It is nothing extraordinary, then, when his servants disguise themselves as the servants of uprightness. They will come to the end appropriate to what they have done.

16 To repeat: let no one take me for a fool, but if you do, then treat me as a fool, so that I, too, can do a little boasting.

And since mo saw an angel of light, this is undeniable proof of who the angel muhammad saw. And it was NOT Gabriel

 

[sedonaman]

…
The Islamic proof is the Quran said so, so it must be because this is the word of Mohammad. …

And who told Mohammad? Allah did, and how do we know that Allah told him? Because Mohammed is Allah’s messenger; and how do we know he’s Allah’s messenger? Because Mohammed said so, that’s how.

While Islamic beliefs are light years wide, they are only a millimeter deep because it is obvious that they cannot withstand in-depth questioning. So, why is it that Muslims continue to insist that beliefs are proofs ?

 

[sedonaman]

…Well, why else would a whole chapter in the Qur’an, the holy scripture written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess named Mariam the mother of Prophet Isa (pbuh), were it not for the fact that both mother and son really did exist and are accorded the utmost reverence in Islam… and especially when by comparison, we also consider the fact that the mother of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is not mentioned at all in the Qur’an?

And so face it dear Christians, the fact that Prophet Isa (pbuh) and his mother Mariam are indeed mentioned and accorded the utmost reverence in the Qur’an, is really the strongest and most compelling evidence there is that the both of them really did exist in history.

Wonderful piece of deductive reasoning. If being revered is proof, by this logic we can conclude that before Islam, the gods that were worshiped in Mecca were true because they were revered by the various tribes who made pilgrimages there. But Mohammed said they were false. What made Mohammed right and the tribes wrong?

If being mentioned in the Qur’an is the “most compelling evidence there is that the both of them really did exist in history”, then the characters mentioned in The Iliad enjoy the same level of evidence of their existence.

 

[swariffin]

The only circular reasoning is yours. Attend the local Library by your home and begin a study of Mary though the 2500 Biographys which exist. Which isn’t to say the Bible is an accurate account of History and Prophecy. Let alone the venerated art which date 1st and 2nd century.

It didn’t arrive by accident. The only one who wouldn’t know and wasn’t there in History was Mohammad? Nor would he have been able to read the abundant teaching which already exited in his life, because he couldn’t read?

The Islamic proof is the Quran said so, so it must be because this is the word of Mohammad.

So here on this thread we are still waiting for the Islamic Historic Proof which coincides with History and Islamic teaching? Where does it exist? How could its exist when Paintings existed in the Byzantine Church from 2-AD? The Black Madonna was hidden in the catacombs before Chirstianity was legal, and they were feeding them to the lions in Rome in the time of Nero. Eventually it wound up in Poland an is credited to many miracles, healings and conversions their.

Apocryphal gospel called the Protevangelium of James, first written in Greek around the middle of the second century. The high status of the Protevangelium in the Eastern Church is attested by the survival of numerous manuscripts not only in Greek but also in Coptic (Sahidic), Syriac, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Old Church Slavonic, and Arabic translations.

This gospel attests to Marys parents in detal and the Virgin Birth which coincides with Bible. Its not part of the Bible, but nonetheless gives an idea of just how much information is out here in regards to the reality of Marys life and Her parents, and Her birth place.

Her fathers Tomb is venerated in Israel today.

Then there’s the Mystics writtings over the Centurys, then there’s the Visitation of Mary in Egypt at the Coptic Church {among other sights like Fatima} which btw healed and converted 1000’s of muslims. And was witnessed by over a quarter million in 1969. And 75-Thousand in Fatima in 1917. Then confirmed by a Miracle from God. People of ALL religions were there including no-religion and atheist.

What does the Quran have to confirm its promoted truth about Mary of Islam? What has happened in “History” to confirm the Quran teaching?

Thanks, for the reply.

 

[swariffin]

It would be pointless to engage in discussion which is based solely on circular reasoning as to which between the Bible and the Qur’an is the Truth.

Suffice to say however that the Christian belief in the historical existence of Mary of Nazareth is based entirely on faith alone and no other evidence.

Muslims, on the other hand, believe in the existence of Mariam the mother of Isa (pbuh), based not just on faith but also on sound logic which dictates that it is quite unimaginable that Arab tribesmen would willingly accept and revere a Jewess to be one of the greatest women who ever lived were it not for the fact that this Jewess and her son Isa (pbuh) really did exist in history.

So, Muslims have a logical/scientific/archeologic source to proof the existence of Mariam the mother of Isa. Could you please refer us to such source(s)?

What about Quran. Is there any logical/scientific/archeologic source to proof that it was really come from God?

It will be interesting to know.