Who is Isa of the Quran?

[swariffin]

For those wishing to see a miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), I have already mentioned one on this thread i.e. through his efforts, Arab tribesmen willingly accepted and accorded the utmost reverence to a Jewess and her son named Isa (pbuh).

This can be considered a miracle in itself but yet many do not realize what a truly awesome accomplishment this is.

Imagine if a Jew accepts an Arab man as the Final Messenger of God… but oh wait, many already have… and these Jews and their descendants are now called Muslims.

Miracle of miracles… that is the Message that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) brought to humankind.

I do willingly to accept that Master Cheng Yen from Tzu Chi foundation is some sort of a living saint, but come from Buddhism instead of Christianity. In fact, some of my Catholic friends become her member in service for the poor. That does not make a miracle at all. If Arab tribesman accept Jesus and His mother as prophet, that is a blessing from God indeed. Jesus surely loves the Arab people too, as I sincerely believe. But, that does not make a miracle to be so.

 

[Amir_the_Masihi]

For those wishing to see a miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), I have already mentioned one on this thread i.e. through his efforts, Arab tribesmen willingly accepted and accorded the utmost reverence to a Jewess and her son named Isa (pbuh).

This can be considered a miracle in itself but yet many do not realize what a truly awesome accomplishment this is.

Imagine if a Jew accepts an Arab man as the Final Messenger of God… but oh wait, many already have… and these Jews and their descendants are now called Muslims.

Miracle of miracles… that is the Message that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) brought to humankind.

First of all, Gary and thirddec, those were very nice replies you made to me. Thanks and God Bless.

Now, hamba. I’m sorry, but [one of the] definitions of ‘miracle’ is ‘A surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is considered to be divine.’ What you’re describing is easily explained both naturally and scientifically and it isn’t particularly divine. In light of this, what you’re describing would perhaps better be described as Muhammad’s “excellent negotiation skills”.

 

[MontChevalier]

Hey man, you’re preaching to the choir. As an ex-Muslim, I know many of the so called “proofs” in the Islamic proselytizing handbook. I may not be a follower of Christ (yet, at least; still deliberating on that), but I’m not a Muslim anymore either. Don’t let my user name fool you. FYI, ‘Masihi’ means Christian in my language and Arabic.

Haven’t I been arguing AGAINST the Muslims in this topic so far, anyway? I thought my posts were pretty unambiguous.

Oh, cool. I learned a new word today.

Well then, I think I will call you Al-nasir Masihi. The Victorious Christian. If you haven’t been killed for apostasy yet, then you deserve the title. The title is reserved for few people, and even fewer deserve it.

I’ll keep you in my prayers, to make sure you make it out okay, no matter the situation.

-MontChevalier

 

[contentedself]

How about sacrifice his life, will he ever do it? Why Muhammad order his follower to die for God? Will Muhammad would like to die for God? If God protects his prophet away from death, what is the logic that Muhammad order his follower to die for God? What a cruel God you have. At least, what a selfish prophet you have.

There were many attempts on his life, but he had good protectors, first and foremost God, and a close second his cousin and son in law, Ali. He was given a message to propagate and teach and had to make sure he did. So when he had to hide, he hid, when he had to escape out of Mekkah he did, and Imam Ali stayed in his bed when they came to his house to assassinate him. He never ordered to die for God, he ordered to defend Islam from being elliminated. He lived under threat throughout all his prophethood, and after he passed, his family gave all they had and their lives in protection of the true Islam. I’m sure you haven’t see true Muhammedan Islamm yet in your life, so I don’t blame you for your ignorance on this subject.

Peace

 

[thirddec]

There were many attempts on his life, but he had good protectors, first and foremost God, and a close second his cousin and son in law, Ali. He was given a message to propagate and teach and had to make sure he did. So when he had to hide, he hid, when he had to escape out of Mekkah he did, and Imam Ali stayed in his bed when they came to his house to assassinate him. He never ordered to die for God, he ordered to defend Islam from being elliminated. He lived under threat throughout all his prophethood, and after he passed, his family gave all they had and their lives in protection of the true Islam. I’m sure you haven’t see true Muhammedan Islamm yet in your life, so I don’t blame you for your ignorance on this subject.

Peace

MMMh I think the problem is we have tbh sorry contented and the sooner you recognise that the sooner you can help the one True and always Honest God.

 

[contentedself]

MMMh I think the problem is we have tbh sorry contented and the sooner you recognise that the sooner you can help the one True and always Honest God.

you have to be honest? what does that mean? you think I’m making things up? based on what knowledge of Islam did you come to this conclusion?

the sooner you stop worshiping Jesus, the sooner your heart will open up to the mercy of the One Real.

 

[Holly3278]

I think that Isa is the Islamic name or Arabic name for Jesus.

 

[contentedself]

I think that Isa is the Islamic name or Arabic name for Jesus.

Indeed it is. Jesus son of Mary, peace upon them both

 

[GaryTaylor]

There were many attempts on his life, but he had good protectors, first and foremost God, and a close second his cousin and son in law, Ali. He was given a message to propagate and teach and had to make sure he did. So when he had to hide, he hid, when he had to escape out of Mekkah he did, and Imam Ali stayed in his bed when they came to his house to assassinate him. He never ordered to die for God, he ordered to defend Islam from being elliminated. He lived under threat throughout all his prophethood, and after he passed, his family gave all they had and their lives in protection of the true Islam. I’m sure you haven’t see true Muhammedan Islamm yet in your life, so I don’t blame you for your ignorance on this subject.

Peace

What makes you believe Mohammad was a prophet?

 

[nablaise]

I think that people are deliberately missing the point that I was making here.

Again, I ask the question:

Why would a whole chapter in a scripture revealed and written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess, bearing in mind the deep mistrust and animosity between Jews and Arabs that already existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?.. And if indeed the Qur’an was created or copied by Arab tribesmen, then why was not this same high honor of having a whole chapter named after her be given to the mother of Muhammad (pbuh) who of course was a member of an Arab tribe herself?

The answer is clear and simple i.e. the Jewess in question and her son named Isa (pbuh) did indeed exist in history and for them to be accorded the utmost reverence in an Arabic scripture is extremely strong and compelling evidence of the truth of their existence.

By comparison, what undeniable evidence if any can Christians provide of the historical existence
of Mary of Nazareth?

True faith does not rely on books, but on a living word!

 

[thirddec]

you have to be honest? what does that mean? you think I’m making things up? based on what knowledge of Islam did you come to this conclusion?

the sooner you stop worshiping Jesus, the sooner your heart will open up to the mercy of the One Real.

Have you taken the testiment of the Christians in Pakistan for your Islam in action. Or the heartless displays at stonings in afghanistan , or the Pictures of riots at Christian Churches in Egypt, or the bodies of Young girls in Egypt Burned because they were not let escape because they hadn’t proper dress. These are not caused by the usual war ethos but are purely religious in origin and they are happening today in the modern area not in the middle ages where the whole world was a different place. I could go on and on.

 

[nablaise]

For those wishing to see a miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), I have already mentioned one on this thread i.e. through his efforts, Arab tribesmen willingly accepted and accorded the utmost reverence to a Jewess and her son named Isa (pbuh).

This can be considered a miracle in itself but yet many do not realize what a truly awesome accomplishment this is.

Imagine if a Jew accepts an Arab man as the Final Messenger of God… but oh wait, many already have… and these Jews and their descendants are now called Muslims.

Miracle of miracles… that is the Message that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) brought to humankind.

That looks indeed a miracle for people who are reknown for their hatred and intolerance, but not so for normal people.

 

[FaithJoy]

Jesus stirs up a lot of interest, even in people who think He isn’t the savior of the world! The most known man of all ages for a reason. Blessed be your Lord Jesus. Names above all names. Come Lord Jesus. Come quickly. We love You!!

 

[sedonaman]

…Why would a whole chapter in a scripture revealed and written in Arabic, be named after a Jewess, bearing in mind the deep mistrust and animosity between Jews and Arabs that already existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?.. And if indeed the Qur’an was created or copied by Arab tribesmen, then why was not this same high honor of having a whole chapter named after her be given to the mother of Muhammad (pbuh) who of course was a member of an Arab tribe herself?..

That’s easy. Mohammed wanted to attract converts from Christianity, so he incorporated some of the NT personalities. Likewise with the Jews and the OT. The most obvious problem is he didn’t get his stories straight, and consequently his versions are a muddled mess.

 

[sedonaman]

…The Prophet [pbuh] and ‘Ali were inside the house and despite the tight siege the group of assassins laid, the Prophet [pbuh] told ‘Ali to sleep in his bed and cover himself with his green mantle and assured him full security under Allâh’s protection and told him that no harm would come to him. The Prophet [pbuh] then came out of the room and cast a handful of dust at the assassins and managed to work his way through them reciting verses of the Noble Qur’ân:
…

Even though Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) walked past the assassins, they could not see him and he then proceeded direct to the house of Abu Bakr …

From this story, we can see that the Lord is not averse to protecting and saving His Messengers from being harmed by their mortal enemies…

You might have something here, but I’ll go you one better. By holding up the Holy Eucharist before the hoards of Muslims attacking her convent, St. Clare drove them back in terror. It is interesting to contemplate what the Muslim soldiers must have seen, for it had to have been more than just a wafer of bread.

 

[swariffin]

There were many attempts on his life, but he had good protectors, first and foremost God, and a close second his cousin and son in law, Ali. He was given a message to propagate and teach and had to make sure he did. So when he had to hide, he hid, when he had to escape out of Mekkah he did, and Imam Ali stayed in his bed when they came to his house to assassinate him. He never ordered to die for God, he ordered to defend Islam from being elliminated. He lived under threat throughout all his prophethood, and after he passed, his family gave all they had and their lives in protection of the true Islam. I’m sure you haven’t see true Muhammedan Islamm yet in your life, so I don’t blame you for your ignorance on this subject.

Peace

The main point is : If God protect His prophet, then God should be capable to protect His prophet’s follower, which are His follower too. If that so, then there is no need for Jihad, and there is no basis for Jihad. If there is no basis for Jihad, than the teaching of Jihad definitely do not come from God.

To get back to your point. What is the difference of ordering people to die for God and ordering people to die for Islam (in order not to be eliminated)? Do you think God is unable to protect Islam, the way He protected his prophet?

Ups, sorry. As I live in muslim majority country, I was raised along with many Muslim friends. I am exposed to the teaching of Islam. I honestly speaking that I don’t quite like Islam especially for the Medina Verses. Although I don’t quite like Islam as a religion, it does not mean that I am unable to love muslims. (Please do not interpret love as man-to-woman love relationship only). I do have many good muslim friends in my life, which have lasted for more than 20 years and still counting.

 

[sedonaman]

The main point is : If God protect His prophet, then God should be capable to protect His prophet’s follower, which are His follower too. If that so, then there is no need for Jihad, and there is no basis for Jihad. If there is no basis for Jihad, than the teaching of Jihad definitely do not come from God.

To get back to your point. What is the difference of ordering people to die for God and ordering people to die for Islam (in order not to be eliminated)? Do you think God is unable to protect Islam, the way He protected his prophet?

 

[thirddec]

The main point is : If God protect His prophet, then God should be capable to protect His prophet’s follower, which are His follower too. If that so, then there is no need for Jihad, and there is no basis for Jihad. If there is no basis for Jihad, than the teaching of Jihad definitely do not come from God.

To get back to your point. What is the difference of ordering people to die for God and ordering people to die for Islam (in order not to be eliminated)? Do you think God is unable to protect Islam, the way He protected his prophet?

Ups, sorry. As I live in muslim majority country, I was raised along with many Muslim friends. I am exposed to the teaching of Islam. I honestly speaking that I don’t quite like Islam especially for the Medina Verses. Although I don’t quite like Islam as a religion, it does not mean that I am unable to love muslims. (Please do not interpret love as man-to-woman love relationship only). I do have many good muslim friends in my life, which have lasted for more than 20 years and still counting.

Yep and If he protects his prophets it would make no sence if he couldn’t protect their words too , would it?

 

[swariffin]

Yep and If he protects his prophets it would make no sence if he couldn’t protect their words too , would it?

Exactly. In that case, it is proven logically, that the idea of God made Isa escape from crucifixion definitely does not come from God. Therefore, whoever has the idea of God made Isa escape, clearly is/are not in agreement with God’s plan.

 

[hamba2han]

In the New Testament, Jesus (pbuh) is reported to have said the following words to the disciples when he first met them after his alleged crucifixion:

"Behold (have a look at) my hands and my feet, that it is I myself (I am
the same fellow, man!): handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and
bones, as you see me have.
. . . And he showed them his hands and his feet." … (Luke 24:39-40)

This is really Jesus (pbuh) testifying that he was alive and not a resurrected spirit and by showing them his hands and feet, he was proving to them that he was not crucified since there were no signs of crucifixion.

And so then, who do we want to believe i.e. do we believe the 500 or so people who thought that they saw Jesus (pbuh) being crucified… OR… do we believe the testimony of Jesus (pbuh) himself that he was NOT crucified?

The great irony here is that while the testimony of Jesus (pbuh) that he was alive contradicts the account of 500 or so people who thought they witnessed his crucifixion, BOTH of their contradictory accounts regarding the alleged crucifixion as reported in the Bible actually agrees perfectly with what is written in the Qur’an:

That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- … (Al-Qur’an, Surah An-Nisa, Ayat 157)