Who is Jesus in Islam?

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Hello Sister Amy,

Surely you can see the weakness of that argument. This argument can just as easily be turned upon the Islamic faith. We can just as easily say that the teaching crept into the Islamic faith by Muhammad’s followers.

It is true that the followers of Jesus preached about the crucifixion (although I don’t understand why you can’t believe that). But it can also be said the the foretellers of Jesus preached about the cruicifixion too…

I can accept that you don’t see the crucifixion as a sacrifice for our sins. But to completely deny that Jesus was crucified is a denial of history. It baffles me that history has failed us.
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Perhaps you and I don’t agree on what constitutes historical fact, what has been proven. You would be accurate if you said that some teachings crept into Islam by later Muslims. They’re generally known, though. On the other hand, this teaching about Jesus is from the Qur’an, directly in the Qur’an, which we know was preserved in the hearts of the Muslims, multiply transmitted, and as a written text. It is well authenticated that this teaching was taught by Muhammad.

People often have the wrong idea about history. You know, rumors can spread and really distort the truth. And then people who are supposedly trustworthy really distort it. I mean, look at Henry Kissinger! His memoirs… just lies!

I realize that you place a lot of weight on an alleged historical “fact” upon which you rely for your faith. I don’t mean to disrupt that, but let me simply say this:

I believe in a book that was revealed 600 years **after ** Jesus, by the One who Sees Everything–the All-Seeing, the Witness. Therefore it corrects everything before it. I accept it and what it says–which is that Jesus wasn’t crucified. And even if you had video footage of the event I still wouldn’t believe it–and you don’t have anything close to that.
 
As i posted on the thread I made called “Muslims are Liars” this is all you need to know about teachings of jesus in the koran and in the bible.

The bible teaches that anyone who denies that jesus is the christ is himself the anti-christ. John said those who deny that Jesus is the Christ are liars and are anti-Christ (1 John 2:22).

Basically anyone who denies jesus christ devinity is the anti-christ.

Islam states the jesus chrsit was just a prophet of god and he was not god in flesh, islam through the teachings of prophet mohammed clearly deny jesus christs devinity.

Sura 19:88 Those who say the god of mercy has begotten a son preach a monstorous falsehood.

God (Allah) forbit, that He HImself should begat a son Sura 19:30

… unbelivers are those that say god is the messiah the son of mary.
Sura 5:72

These two religions teach basically the exact opposite and ive also compared the end of days prophecies for you, I mean what more you want me to say! Again in the bible it states those who deny the devinity of christ is the anti-christ and look what is mentinoed in the koran, what more do you want me to say?
 
Do you think Jews are the anti-Christ? They also deny the divinity of Jesus.
 
Its right there in black and white whats written in the bible and what is written in the koran. So if thats the case mohammed was an anti-christ and so is the religion of islam!
 
Hey sister im just giving the exact references from both the bible and the koran. I have compared the end of days prophecies from both islamic hadiths and biblical revelations I will compare and contrast what they both say if you like to see it yourself sister?
 
Hey sister striking end of days prophecies for you! Again everything taught in the koran and the bible in most cases is the exact opposite!

summary we conclude this section with a final review of the many startling similarities that exist between the biblical narrative of the last-days and the Islamic narrative of the same period.

· Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.

· Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.

· Bible: the False Prophet is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days who will support the Antichrist.

· Islam: the Muslim Jesus is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days to support the Mahdi.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet together will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the earth in an effort to subdue every nation and dominate the World.

· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will have a powerful army that will attempt to control every nation of the earth and dominate the World.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.

· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus establish a New World Order.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet institute new laws for the whole earth.

· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus institute Islamic law all over the earth.

And one of the most revealing is right here.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.

· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will kill as many Jews as is possible until only a few are left hiding behind rocks and trees.

· Bible: The Antichrist is said to make a peace treaty with Israel for seven years.

· Islam: The Mahdi is said to make a peace treaty through a Jew (specifically a Levite) for exactly seven years.

Theres over 40 similarities between the islamic savior and the christain anti-christ

It states right there in islamic hadiths for prophecies the dajjal(islamic anti-christ) will be a jew who will lead the jewish and christain world against the muslims. It also states when mahdi comes with the muslim prophet jesus they will tell the world to convert to islam. And then start conquering nations with there huge army and those who dont convert will be killed. Its right in there prophecies, islam is a sick demonic religion!

IF IM LYING SISTER AMY ILL PUT UP REFERENCES TO THE ISLAMIC HADITHS FOR EACH POINT I MADE IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THATS WHAT THE ISLAMIC HADITHS SAY!
 
What is your point? That end of day prophecies are different? You didn’t provide references so I arrive at th econclusion you’ve either posted this from somewhere else or made it up. So what you’ll probably do now is bombard the poor thread with all your supposed references, many of which undoubtedly say something other than what you say they do. Don’t waste my time. Or should I say, I don’t intend to waste yours–I’d rather not have to investigate them–I don’t care, so don’t bother posting them. I’m not an expert on end of day prophecies, in fact I haven’t spent hardly any time at all studying them. So… eh…

But anyway you didn’t answer my question.

Jews don’t believe Jesus is divine–are Jews the anti-Christ too?
 
So the references I posted are giong to be lies and made up? If you want the exact references ill give them to you. You know yourself the koran and hadiths are full of violence, hatred, murderers I mean I dont know how people can call this a religion. Ive read and I have 5 diff translations of the koran and ive read most of the hadiths. Where is this a peaceful religion? Of the 70 plus battles mentioned muslims started all but 2 of them.

About your question about jews im not too familiar with the jewish faith to go into detail but regarding the islamic faith if you read hadiths about prophecies the dajjal(islam anti-christ) will be a jew who will lead the jewish and christain world against the muslims.

I mean sister amy you never read islamic prophecies and if you havent why not? Its right there when mahdi comes with the so called prophet jesus they will tell the world to convert to islam. The mahdi and prophet jesus will start an army to conquer the world! Islam is not peaceful, it never was and it never will be!

Non-muslims have 3 options. 1 Convert to islam if not, 2 pay the jiyza tax and accept second class status(if you read the hadiths status is bad as animals) if dont accept this 3. Prepare for war!
 
reggiep said:
About your question about jews im not too familiar with the jewish faith to go into detail but regarding the islamic faith if you read hadiths about prophecies the dajjal(islam anti-christ) will be a jew who will lead the jewish and christain world against the muslims.
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Does Judaism accept Jesus? If not then what does 1 John 2:22 say that is?
 
No where will you find in the koran that muslims and non-muslims are equal. In the beginning of the koran they are peaceful and tolerant versus but they are all abrogated!
 
My bad fatherabraham i misread what she put i was making a comparison and thinking of soemthign else!
 
reggiep said:
No where will you find in the koran that muslims and non-muslims are equal. In the beginning of the koran they are peaceful and tolerant versus but they are all abrogated!
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Muslims are simply those who submit to God, they may be good Christians and Jews. Teaching about unfaithful people is similar to Jesus calling them snakes and dogs.
 
Sistery amy nice lil cute video about paradise. Why dont you post up what the real paradise holds for muslims lol.
 
I dont agree fatherabraham ive studied there religion and again ive have 5 diff translations of the koran and also i have many hadiths no where is this religion peaceful. Ive studied end of days prophecies of biblical revelations to that of islamic hadiths and it contradicts each other.

The whole goal of islam is to take over the world!
 
reggiep said:
I dont agree fatherabraham ive studied there religion and again ive have 5 diff translations of the koran and also i have many hadiths no where is this religion peaceful. Ive studied end of days prophecies of biblical revelations to that of islamic hadiths and it contradicts each other.

The whole goal of islam is to take over the world!
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I don’t accept Hadith, they are like Christian apocrypha to me. You won’t find any violence in the Quran that’s not in the Bible. Like:

Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Isaac was permitted violence for his great nation, so was Ishmael. That was God’s plan to make His name great among the heathen.

Judaism and Christianity also have plans to take over. They are all going into the trashcan for the real religion of Jesus when he returns.
 
This is why mohammed was a demon and not a prophet of god. For centuries many people have kept quiet about his deed and actions because if anyone ever objected there would be a mob outside and that person would be lynched! But now things have changed muslims can no longer keep silence and with the new wave of technology such as the internet the real life of mohammed is coming out and muslims can no longer keep people silent.

Example of the truth about mohammed and who he really is!

THE MASSACRE OF THE BANU QURAYZA!
THE HADITH ISHAQ: 464

In ancient arabia there were many tribes, one of whihc was the Jewish tribe of the “Banu Qurayza”. The Banu Qurayza was attacked for not supporting Muhammed when the Quraish attacked Medina.

Soon after the battle was over, muhammed claimed that the archangel gabriel had visited him “asking that he should take his sword and head for the habitation of the seditious Banu Qurayza and fight them.”

Gabriel noted that he with a procession of angels would go ahead to shake their forts and cast fear in their hearts. The banu qurayza only lasted 25 days against the muslims and surrendered unconditionally. Muhammed confirmed the order that the men be handcuffed, while the women and children were to be isolated in confinement adn take as captives. Hadith Ishaq 464.

These jewish men and post pubescent boys were taken in parties of five or six to the market and place, they were beheaded and their bodies were tossed in trenches. The bloodshed lasted from morning to nightfall, until 600-900 men were executed according to this hadith.

Hystical women and children screamed as they watched thier fathers,brothers and sons die. (If anyone cannot see that this is not how a messenger of god should behave cannot claim to have grasped the meaning of humaness).

Mohammed though of nothing but killing, brought nothing but death, taught nothing but vengeance. Muhammed was not a mercy of god to mankind but the curse of the devil to humanity.

Out of the 70 plus battles in mohammeds life the muslims started all of them but two of them. The two battles they didnt start they were attacked first becaue they knew mohammed was going to attack them with there men.

What excuse do muslims give of this cuz they broke a treaty? What was the treaty? That they didnt join mohammed sick army in battle?
 
Hadith can’t be trusted as reliable. You should stick with the Quran.
 
I dont remember Lord Rama or buddha or jesus christ or confucious or anyone else capturing an army of 600-900 men and beheading them infront of there family memebers who were going to be taken as slaves and concubines as they were screaming and crying for mohammed and his men to stop.

If this is the prophet of god I dont know what to say!
 
FatherofAbraham thats the old islamic trick! Without the hadiths the koran wouldnt make any sense! The deeds of mohammed are used in parallel to the koran!
 
reggiep said:
FatherofAbraham thats the old islamic trick! Without the hadiths the koran wouldnt make any sense! The deeds of mohammed are used in parallel to the koran!
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They aren’t used by me, no one needs Hadith to understand the Quran. Sounds to me you are just repeating a bunch of junk you read on the Internet.
 
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