What was their belief let’s look at your linkSect: The Essenes
I wasn’t suggesting the “Song of Sage” as part of a Cannon. But the belief in Lilit. But I have heard they dead Sea scrolls contain the earliest forms off all the text in our Bible but Ruth. OT and NT.
The Dead Sea Scrolls contains one indisputable reference to Lilith in Songs of the Sage (4Q510-511)[42] fragment 1:
I see no where who or what Lilith is. It doesn’t connect Lilith as being the first wife of Adam. The context of what is written is that it refers to a destroying spirit. There is no mention in the Bible of Lilith being Adams first wife. There is no mention nor indication that there was any other woman than Eve.And I, the Instructor, proclaim His glorious splendour so as to frighten and to te[rrify] all the spirits of the destroying angels, spirits of the bastards, demons, Lilith, howlers, and [desert dwellers…] and those which fall upon men without warning to lead them astray from a spirit of understanding and to make their heart and their …] desolate during the present dominion of wickedness and predetermined time of humiliations for the sons of lig[ht], by the guilt of the ages of [those] smitten by iniquity – not for eternal destruction, [bu]t for an era of humiliation for transgression.[43]
That Alphabet…that you’re talking about I read was a lot of sarcasm concerning what was taught by the Rabbi’s. So Zohar texts I have read quite abit about her. And in Babylonian Talmud. No creation story was unique nor started by Israel. not the texts concerning the God’s making man as a “slave race” or anything. Which was Sumerian.In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th century Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam’s first wife, who was created at the same time (Rosh Hashanah) and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam’s ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar, and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.
The literal Hebrew? Are you talking about the modern Tanaukh? Or some older text?There are creation accounts of two women in Genesis. The first woman is made from dust at
the same time as Adam. The second is created later from Adam’s side. The creation account of the
second woman, Eve, comes in Ge 2:21-25. Those passages clearly indicate Eve was created from
Adam’s side. The first woman’s creation is told three times, once in Ge 1:26-29, again in Ge 2:4-8, and
briefly recapped in Ge 5:1-2. All three accounts imply both Adam and this woman were created at the
same time using dust (and muck) from the ground. Although a cursory English reading of the second
account appears to show this woman missing, there are numerous evidences in the literal Hebrew
that a woman named Adamah was created with Adam at this time, and that her body was watered by a
mist.
What do the people in this thread think of this quote?
You could equally say that there is an account of two men after all in Gen 1:26-29 Adam is merely called a manThere are creation accounts of two women in Genesis.
.The first woman is made from dust at
the same time as Adam
.The second is created later from Adam’s side. The creation account of the
second woman, Eve, comes in Ge 2:21-25. Those passages clearly indicate Eve was created from
Adam’s side
No such implication is present.The first woman’s creation is told three times, once in Ge 1:26-29, again in Ge 2:4-8, and
briefly recapped in Ge 5:1-2. All three accounts imply both Adam and this woman were created at the
same time using dust (and muck) from the ground.
No longer Lilith? A cursory search found this about Adamah connected more with Adam than with Eve. Adamah means ground. Would you provide this numerous evidence from the Hebrew?Although a cursory English reading of the second
account appears to show this woman missing, there are numerous evidences in the literal Hebrew
that a woman named Adamah was created with Adam at this time, and that her body was watered by a
mist.
It is an ignorant statement that ignores the conditions of the time and the culture and the literary and genres used. It tries to force and understanding that is not present in the text and was not intended by the author.What do the people in this thread think of this quote?
In another thread this was posted and I think it is apropos hereWhatever is derived from this most authentic Hebrew version is all a matter of interpretation. Have at it! See what you come up with.
From our perspective, in order to understand Adam & Eve in Genesis, we have to look at the New Testament…
See how many times in the Gospels Christ uses storytelling as a teaching method. So much of His teaching comes down to us in the form of parables. This is no accident. The Jewish method of answering questions (big and small) was to tell a story that illustrated the point. When someone asked Christ “who is my neighbor?” He answered with the parable of the Good Samaritan. He did this because that’s the Jewish teaching style. It was not like the modern style of giving a short, direct answer to a question.
We may have to wait for more affirmative evidence to be discovered. But like the Catholics so many religious groups have all that is needed and it better fit the mold. The thing is you really can’t take God and tell him if you don’t approach me my way then I won’t accept you. That’s the mistake of the religious in Jesus’ day all over again. That’s not a true understanding of God but religion and the teachings of men. The theologians and scholars know more than me and I don’t argue myself. It’s not that difficult to understand.Adrift:
Here are over 100 versions of the Bible listed on the Bible Gateway website. Which version have you taken ownership of?
The most authentic version is the Orthodox Jewish Bible. Here is what it says about humanity:
And G-d said, Let Us make man in Our tzelem, after Our demut: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon ha’aretz (the earth).
27 So G-d created humankind in His own tzelem, in the tzelem Elohim (image of G-d) created He him; zachar (male) and nekevah (female) created He them.
In this passage man and woman are created in the beginning from some pre-existing substance. Later on in Chapter 2 are the following:
These are the toldot of HaShomayim and of Ha’Aretz when they were created, in the Yom that Hashem Elohim made Eretz v’Shomayim,
5 And every plant of the sadeh was not yet in ha’aretz, and every herb of the sadeh had not yet yitzmach (sprung up, T.N. Moshiach is Tzemach [Zecharyah 3:8]); for Hashem Elohim had not caused it to rain upon ha’aretz, and there was not an adam (man) la’avod (to till, to work) haadamah (the ground).
6 But there went up a mist from ha’aretz, and watered the whole face of the adamah.
7 And Hashem Elohim formed the adam of the aphar min haadamah, and breathed into his nostrils the nishmat chayyim; and the adam became a nefesh chayyah.
8 And Hashem Elohim planted a gan (garden) eastward in Eden; and there He put the adam whom He had formed
Later on in this chapter:
And Hashem Elohim caused a tardemah (deep sleep) to fall upon the adam, and he slept; and He took from one of his tzalelot (sides, ribs), and closed up the basar in the place thereof;
22 And the tzela (rib), which Hashem Elohim had taken from the adam, made He an isha, and brought her unto the adam.
23 And the adam said, This is now etzem of my etzem, and basar of my basar; she shall be called Isha, because she was taken out of Ish.
24 Therefore shall an ish leave his av and his em, and shall cleave unto his isha: and they shall be basar echad.
25 And they were both arummim (naked ones), the adam and his isha, and were not ashamed.
Here another woman is taken from the side of the adam . So we have two women.
Then in Chapter 5 is the following:
This is the Sefer Toldot Adam. In the yom that barah Elohim Adam, in the demut Elohim He made him;
2 Zakhar and nekevah He created them; and blessed them, and called the shem of them “Adam,” in the yom when they were created
This final passage is supposed to refer to the original man and woman created in the beginning from an existing substance.
Whatever is derived from this most authentic Hebrew version is all a matter of interpretation. Have at it! See what you come up with.
This really isn’t even a Catholic issue. The OP’s question could be best answered by archeologists and Judaic scholars of early Judaism. The Priests might have some (name removed by moderator)ut but the more knowledgeable rabbis would be who I would turn to.We may have to wait for more affirmative evidence to be discovered. But like the Catholics so many religious groups have all that is needed and it better fit the mold. The thing is you really can’t take God and tell him if you don’t approach me my way then I won’t accept you. That’s the mistake of the religious in Jesus’ day all over again. That’s not a true understanding of God but religion and the teachings of men. The theologians and scholars know more than me and I don’t argue myself. It’s not that difficult to understand.