Who is Martin Luther and why was he excommunicated?

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mayogirl25 said:
Seeing all you go back and forth on this and to answer the original question “Who is Martin Luther and why was he excommunicated” to answer in a nutshell. He was a monk who believed the Holy Roman Church was corrupt so he decided to voice his opinion and he posted some documents on a church door and was excommunicated so he could no longer say Mass and he ended up starting the Lutheran religion (and then he married a nun). That’s it in a nutshell. He was not alone at this time of history. Others were also voicing opposition to the corrupt HRC so he was one of many. Simple answer, cut and dry.
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Although I’m also reminded of the fact that sometimes how we phrase things can make a big difference … Given that many Baptists already believe that Catholics worship Mary, I wonder what they’d think if they heard that Martin Luther started a “Lutheran religion”. 😉
 
Peter_J said:
Although I’m also reminded of the fact that sometimes how we phrase things can make a big difference … Given that many Baptists already believe that Catholics worship Mary, I wonder what they’d think if they heard that Martin Luther started a “Lutheran religion”. 😉
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Well, didn’t Martin Luther start the Lutheran religion? Who else can you credit that to? Calvin started the Calvinists, Menno Simons started the Mennonite religion, John Knox started the Presbyterian religion, John Wesley started the Methodist religion, John Smyth started the Baptist religion, ad infinitum. All men. And Jesus anointed St. Peter and said on this rock I will build my Church and that is the Catholic Church. And as to Baptists believing Catholics worship the Mother of God, then I happily plead guilty.
 
benjohnson said:
Lutherans preach Christ and Him Crucified - here’s a photo of a local confessional Lutheran church.
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Well that’s nice to see a Crucifix in a Protestant establishment. I just thought all Protestants used crosses without the figure of Christ on them. Good to know.
 
steido01 said:
And then we can’t forget Gerhardt, Praetorius, Handel, Beethoven, the Mendelssohns, Christiansen, etc. If a Lutheran ordinariate should ever happen, the RCC would inherit some incredible works.
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Beethoven was a Catholic: not the best of all time, but anyway . . .
 
Topper17 said:
He privately exhorted rulers to strike the peasants hard, to kill them without mercy if they revolted.
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Topper17 said:
A good prediction by you James. Your answer was not ‘satisfying’. I remembered that Luther exhorted the princes to slaughter the peasants BEFORE they did so - from the very first moment that I read it. That is not exactly an ‘insignificant detail’ of the history of the Peasant’s War. If I can remember it, it would make sense that others can. It goes directly to the issue of credibility.
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This is just a simple request: Since you’ve researched this so thoroughly, would you please provide details about "Luther exhorted the princes to slaughter the peasants BEFORE they did so"? Was it a meeting? Which rulers? i’m very interested in hearing your opinion on this private exhortation to the various rulers. Thanks.
 
mayogirl25 said:
Well of course it was taught to me by Irish Catholic nuns in London in the 50’s but these stories have a way of sticking to 7 year olds .
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Well, of course it does. One of the reasons I like CAF is that one can “hear” anecdotal stories like this - from all over the world.
It is really true that Protestant churches display Christ on the Cross? I have no way of knowing since I have never been in a Protestant place of worship. That was alway taught to us as being not allowed
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It depends on the protestants one is speaking of. As Dave Armstrong related, Calvinist/Reformed churches and some of the their offshoots tend to be more iconoclastic. Lutherans aren’t (well, shouldn’t be).
Here in the States, its a bit of a mixed bag. Older, more traditional Lutheran churches are often beautiful, with stained glass and crucifies. Some of the newer buildings, sadly, are more plain.
But the crucifix is very much part of the Lutheran tradition in the Church. After all, we preach Christ crucified! My dad was a Lutheran pastor, and when he died, I received the small crucifix he always wore. It is among my most cherished possessions.

Jon
 
Peter_J said:
Although I’m also reminded of the fact that sometimes how we phrase things can make a big difference … Given that many Baptists already believe that Catholics worship Mary, I wonder what they’d think if they heard that Martin Luther started a “Lutheran religion”. 😉
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mayogirl25 said:
Well, didn’t Martin Luther start the Lutheran religion?
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Hmmm, I’m somewhat inclined to repeat my old comment about the lack of sense of humor on this forum, except that I don’t think that would do justice to ^^ this.
 
Peter_J said:
Hmmm, I’m somewhat inclined to repeat my old comment about the lack of sense of humor on this forum, except that I don’t think that would do justice to ^^ this.
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Well at least it’s easier to say “Lutheran” than “Melancthonian.” Too bad we couldn’t have carried “Evangelische” into English.
 
DaveArmstrong said:
Beethoven was a Catholic: not the best of all time, but anyway . . .
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Ah! You’re right. I knew he was baptized Catholic, but thought I read somewhere he drifted to Lutheranism. My bad.

Replace his name with Brahms in my little list of composers. 😃
 
Topper17 said:
This appears to assign too much of the responsibility to Luther, but by the same token, the idea that he should be assigned none is not exactly in keeping with the facts.
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It certainly is difficult to hear the Gospel in these writings. As much as Luther accused the Papists of obscuring the Gospel, where is it to be found in such polemics?

Jesus was a peasant Himself, homeless, poor and he preached to and among the poor. The Gospel is the salvation of the poor. Here he had an opportunity to bring to bear the fruit of the Spirit into a difficult social/economic situation of his day and he seems to have missed the mark.

I agree with you Topper :bigyikes: the political and economic conditions of the time were fomenting a peasant rebellion even without Luther, but one has to wonder how things might have been different if he had brought the Gospel of salvation to them, rather than scrapping with the pope.
 
steido01 said:
If a Lutheran ordinariate should ever happen, the RCC would inherit some incredible works.

Thanks, Dave, for pointing out that even Luther and we feisty Lutherans have some redeeming qualities.
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May God quickly grant this Lutheran ordinariate, so that we may receive our brethren from the rapidly skidding slide of modernism that has infected the faith. :highprayer:
 
steido01 said:
Replace his name with Brahms in my little list of composers. 😃
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Brahms hardly had any Christian belief at all, which was a marvel to his good friend Dvorak. He used to frequent the brothels of Vienna. So “claiming” him for Lutheranism is a mixed bag at best. I would stick to the pious, majestic Bach!
 
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