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Akiliane
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Mary is the Mother of “God the Son”… But who is she in relation to God the Father?
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adawgj
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Blessed and full of grace
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jochoa
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The Bride of God the Father.
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DavidFilmer
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God does not “feel” any differently about Mary than anybody else. He doesn’t love her “more” - God is pure love, and is incapable of expressing love in degrees.
He recognizes and acknowledges her special place in the salvation of humanity.
He recognizes and acknowledges her special place in the salvation of humanity.
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JoeT777
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The relationship is that of creator to created. However, in Mary He created a New Eve so that*Christ is born withot original sin.
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bzkoss236
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She is said to be the spouse of the Holy Spirit, not the Father.
Created Daughter of the Father,
Spouse of the Holy Spirit,
and Mother of the Son.
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rcwitness
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His Daughter,
Handmaid,
Ark of His Covenant…
Handmaid,
Ark of His Covenant…
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JoeT777
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The relationship is that of creator to created. However, in Mary He created a New Eve so that*Christ is born withot original sin.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Mary is the greatest creation of God.
She certainly isn’t the possible plural wife of “Heavenly Father” as
Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt speculated in *scattered thought *(lol).
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judynurse
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The Blessed Virgin is the Mother of His Son in an earthly sense. She is also the “Ark of the Covenant” as the Mother of the Second Person of the Trinity. The Holy Spirit “overshadowed” her, so that she conceived both a human son and the Divine Son. God loves her, just as He loves you and me. Jesus has a special relationship with her, and grants the prayers she prays for those of us still here.
The proper relationship is Daughter.
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Usagi
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Yikes, no, not even a little bit.
She is sometimes referred to as “spouse of the Holy Spirit” because it was the Spirit Who caused her to conceive, but even that is entirely a metaphor, unlike her very real motherhood of the Son.
Like all Christians, she is an adopted daughter of the Father.
Granted, Mary is sometimes used as an image of Israel and/or the Chuch, both of which are referred to in Scripture as God’s metaphorical Brides, but I would be deeply uncomfortable trying to extend that title to her individually.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Best research further, confirm that, I’m not POSITIVE that such is the case.
I’ve heard that Mary is the “Spouse of the Holy Spirit,” not that I know fully
what that means, but as for “Bride of the Father,” sounds a little Mormon.
EDIT:
Oh wait I see Usagi
has a word on this.
Oh wait I see Usagi
has a word on this.
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Ion
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Mother of God, yes, but do not take “Spouse of the Holy Spirit” literary.
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TimothyH
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I think it is literal in that the relationship of spouses here on earth approximate the relationship of Mary and the Holy Spirit, and are called by God to emulate them.
Grace is an action of the Holy Spirit. Mary cooperates with grace, cooperates with the action of her spouse the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit in turn protects, guides and nurtures Mary, and is present for her at every moment.
The relationship of Mary and the Holy Spirit is the model for earthly marriage, not the other way around. Creation is based on the divine model, not the other way around. The spousal relationship between earthly husband and wife is a shadowy approximation of the relationship Mary had with the divine spouse.
Is their relationship not real? I think the spousal relationship between Mary and the Holy Spirit is more real than any relationship any persons on earth could ever experience. The two have literally become one flesh.
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jochoa
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Thanks for the request for further research. I would like to share my catholic (all-embracing) understandings of the replies to this thread to share my reasonings for knowing the Mother of God is the Bride of the Father of God.
First, I begin with JoeT777’s response:
Definitely, as the Creator of everything, God has the relationship of creator to created to every created thing.
Which makes Mary, just as rcwitness, bzkoss236, and Usagi stated, the created or adopted daughter of God.
Next, I consider, as the Creator of everything, what is the greatest possible creation and why create it? I personally word God’s greatest creation and reason for creating as Best Friends for the experience of unending joy with unbreakable peace for the friends and self, however, you worded it far more graceful than I did as:
From my understandings of Best Friendship, best friends freely serve one another in patience and kindness, aka unconditional love, and a good earthly demonstration of this love is between husband, wife, and family for God and His Church.Mary is the greatest creation of God.
Then I consider some of my understanding of a spouse from Ephesians 5:22-33: Basically, the greatest spouses are unconditional servants, just as Christ serves His Bride, the Church.
Therefore, I really appreciate the understanding of rcwitness, in which the Mother is the servant of God.
Emphasis mine.
My next consideration becomes:
Since the Mother of God never sins, she is also pure love. Catholicism knows pure love is the Holy Trinity, therefore by some means, Mary, who is pure love should be a holy trinity. And from analysis of the following replies Mary definitely partly is:
In conclusion, I view Mary as the first person to fulfill CCC#460: “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.” Therefore, Mary is by some means a holy trinity with a spouse. And one method to share the means by which I see Mary as the person who becomes God, please consider my understanding of the Hail Mary:
“With great praise to the woman who is always patient and kind,
who is most obedient, which is the most simple and elegant way of God.
The peace and joy you experience is greater than any other woman.
The peace and joy you produce from your works yields the man is who is always patient and kind.
Spirit in union with the person who is always patient and kind, who gives Life to God, lead us to overcome our impatient and unkind ways, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”
I look forward to further discussion!
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Ion
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I think you should understand “Spouse of the Holy Spirit” as St Joseph did when he decided to leave Virgin Mary quietly, BEFORE their marriage. Virgin Mary and St. Joseph had a real marriage. I personally think that this expression can have negative understandings; it is not in the Litany of Loretta
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Goya
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Goya
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No offense, and with all due respect, but…there’s a whole lot of ‘I believe’ and ‘I view’, and ‘…my understanding’ and basically, theological engineering, that essentially belies Church authority.
Again, not trying to be overly critical here, or to suppress independent thinking, but when the Church has spoken on a matter, it’s kinda’ the way it is. In fact, it’s called ‘dogma’…and respecting dogma is integral to Catholicism.
You seem to have infused Mary, into the Trinity:
…and I thought you were going to quote the Hail Mary–I only recognize the last 1/2 clause.
Perhaps I’ve completely misunderstood your post, but…it seems to be a bit disjointed, and not very… ‘Catholic’.
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fisherman_carl
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beloved daughter.
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