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My non-denominational friend says that the appearance of Melchizedek in Genesis is Jesus. I have read that it is Shem. Who is Melchizedek?
2 The LORD sends out from Zion
your mighty scepter.
Rule in the midst of your foes.
3 Your people will offer themselves willingly
on the day you lead your forces
on the holy mountains.
From the womb of the morning,
like dew, your youth will come to you.
4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind,
“You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
I don’t have it to hand, but read DR Brant Pitre (Foreword by Dr Scott Hahn) - Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper who deals with who Melchizedek is (I think his theory is that he is the Priest King of Jeru-SALEM as he is described as the King of Salem), I could reply later once I find the book for you if you wish?My non-denominational friend says that the appearance of Melchizedek in Genesis is Jesus. I have read that it is Shem. Who is Melchizedek?
Hebrews 7:1-3 For this Melchiz’edek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, …He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace. ** He is without father or mother or genealogy, and has neither beginning of days nor end of life,** but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest for ever.I’ve also read/heard about the tradition that says it might be Shem. But at the time of St. Paul, who was a learned Pharisee before becoming Christian, this tradition must not have been known. Or, if it was, then not given much credit, for St. Paul had only the above to say about Melchizedek. So,we don’t know Melchizedek’s lineage. And we don’t know where he was born, when he was born or when he died.My non-denominational friend says that the appearance of Melchizedek in Genesis is Jesus. I have read that it is Shem. Who is Melchizedek?
The thing is that, there is some divergence between the Hebrew, Greek, and Samaritan texts between the ages of the patriarchs.Interesting, I have never heard about Melchizedek’s relation to Shem. Why do you say it is only plausible from the Hebrew Text and not the Greek?
Exactly.In my own thinking, I do not believe it is possible to pin down exactly who this mysterious figure is.
The thing is, the idea that Melchizedek is an otherworldly being is not new, nor is it unique to Christianity. A 1st century BC work found among the Dead Sea Scrolls known as The Coming of Melchizedek already portrays Mel as a sort of exalted divine being who will be the agent of the future Jubilee salvation. Another work known as the Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifice also seems to imply Melchizedek being a high-ranking angel, and the so-called War Scroll (aka War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness) seems to identify him with the angel Michael as the “prince of light.”I think it is plausible that he might be a pre-figured Christ (much like certain people’s thinking of “the angel of the Lord”), …] The priest that has no lineage, the one who would announce the perpetual jubilee, etc. These are the more fruitful pursuits in my opinion.
In Jewish writings of the final centuries before Christ and first centuries AD, the emphasis was less on Melchizedek’s precise origins and more on his being (1) a righteous king and divinely appointed high priest, (2) the founder of Salem, which Josephus and later Targumim understood as referring to Jerusalem, and (3) a generous host – Philo, Josephus and the author of the Genesis Apocryphon (ca. early 1st century BC) all understood the text as meaning that Melchizedek brought out the “bread and wine” to feed Abraham and his men, i.e. as a feast (note that the text does not really specify for whom he intended these for, only that he brought them out). There was still no interest in his actual origins, though Josephus once seemed to suggest that Melchizedek was actually a Canaanite.however, it is also possible he was merely a Jebusite king of a city which may or may not be Jerusalem. Much more profitable is focusing on what he came to represent in later traditions.
Right Shem. Noah’s son. You read about those people living hundreds of years. They sometimes faked deaths and lived more like 1,000’s of years. It is good to seek. This is from kabbala in judaism.My non-denominational friend says that the appearance of Melchizedek in Genesis is Jesus. I have read that it is Shem. Who is Melchizedek?
Melchizedek is a real person so it still could be Shem even w/o Paul mentioning it. He did not mention it since that is not important to his point, which is:Hebrews 7:1-3 For this Melchiz’edek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, …He is first, by translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then he is also king of Salem, that is, king of peace. ** He is without father or mother or genealogy, and has neither beginning of days nor end of life,** but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest for ever.I’ve also read/heard about the tradition that says it might be Shem. But at the time of St. Paul, who was a learned Pharisee before becoming Christian, this tradition must not have been known. Or, if it was, then not given much credit, for St. Paul had only the above to say about Melchizedek. So,we don’t know Melchizedek’s lineage. And we don’t know where he was born, when he was born or when he died.
There was supposed to be an old god cannanite or older called ‘sedek’. My-king-is-Sedek. Or Melchizidek. A rabbi from a chabad house told me once he was Shem so looking into our Jewish heritage and anciet archeology would help with this.My non-denominational friend says that the appearance of Melchizedek in Genesis is Jesus. I have read that it is Shem. Who is Melchizedek?
As I’ve mentioned before, the identification of Melchizedek with Shem is only viable if you use the Hebrew text of Genesis; in the Septuagint and the Samaritan Torah Shem should have been already dead at the time of Abraham.
Don’t let them fool you. They can die in front of you and you turn around and they’re standing there. Just because even if a death is recorded, such as our John, That’s not the end.God has no limits. There is no death. Jesus said “What is it to you that I should have him live until I return?” “[To he who is worthy of my secrets I will teach] let not your left hand know what your right hand does.” We have a record of John’s death. That doesn’t mean he’s dead. Sorry for slightly jumping OT but though it would explain something.
This partly explains why the identification - originally proposed by Jewish rabbis of the later Talmudic period - never caught on much amongst early Christians (who used the LXX and deritative versions) and was limited to those who had access to the Hebrew and deritative versions. Granted, some of those who apparently knew this tradition attempt to either refute it or try to harmonize the two conflicting traditions by saying that Melchizedek is closely related to Shem, but is not Shem himself.
I wrote quite a lot on Mel a while back on another thread.