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Mycroft
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what a useless post. is anyone actually gonna say, oh i love bickering and arguing! lets do it more!
Who is sick and tired of all the bickering and arguing and think it should stop?
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TNT
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Yes, all 10 of my siblings, and 8 of my 12 kids. And about 10 posters here who MUST have the last word or be stuck with a sleepless nite.
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Teresita
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Distinguish!
I’d define ‘arguing’ in this context as proposing and opposing different views, preferably backed up with evidence or logic. ‘Bickering’ is what happens when reasoned argument fails, and people resort to personal attacks, or that querulous irritation which we can all see in our children (though not necessarily note in ourselves). This evening, my three sons have spent about fifteen minutes arguing about whether no. 1 son actually said what he denies saying - the actual statement in question was an utterly unimportant comment on a TV advertisement. Argument can have a result, because it focuses on an idea or an object; bickering can’t, because it only expresses the annoyance that the bickerers feel towards each other.
So my slogan on these Forums would be: Bickering is Bad; Argument is Acceptable. Indeed, without argument I wouldn’t come on to the Forums (Fora?) in the first place! (This may be Yiddishkeit: those of us who are Jewish - either practising or just by birth and culture - will know what I mean.) But the ad hominem attack, as exemplified by one or two posters who shall be nameless - since I don’t want to be guilty of the crime myself - should be totally eschewed: it only makes the attacker look vicious and stupid.
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I’d define ‘arguing’ in this context as proposing and opposing different views, preferably backed up with evidence or logic. ‘Bickering’ is what happens when reasoned argument fails, and people resort to personal attacks, or that querulous irritation which we can all see in our children (though not necessarily note in ourselves). This evening, my three sons have spent about fifteen minutes arguing about whether no. 1 son actually said what he denies saying - the actual statement in question was an utterly unimportant comment on a TV advertisement. Argument can have a result, because it focuses on an idea or an object; bickering can’t, because it only expresses the annoyance that the bickerers feel towards each other.
So my slogan on these Forums would be: Bickering is Bad; Argument is Acceptable. Indeed, without argument I wouldn’t come on to the Forums (Fora?) in the first place! (This may be Yiddishkeit: those of us who are Jewish - either practising or just by birth and culture - will know what I mean.) But the ad hominem attack, as exemplified by one or two posters who shall be nameless - since I don’t want to be guilty of the crime myself - should be totally eschewed: it only makes the attacker look vicious and stupid.
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Exporter
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Some people will call a simple debate bickering.
To have a Forun without some difference of opinion is to have a Bland uninteresting page. How can we learn if we are all saying the same thing?
There will be no learning if everyone is saying the same thing. I think some posters are too sensitive. Can’t we differ?
To have a Forun without some difference of opinion is to have a Bland uninteresting page. How can we learn if we are all saying the same thing?
There will be no learning if everyone is saying the same thing. I think some posters are too sensitive. Can’t we differ?
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MrS
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How right you are. Sometimes we need to speak softly and carry the big stick… sometimes we just need to test the strength of the stick.
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Xav
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I have no problem with someone disagreeing with my personal opinion as long as it is done in an intelligent, courteous, adult manner.
Name calling and/or cursing = inability to articulate. When one resorts to this, that is a sign of immaturity. Nevertheless, I won’t dismiss the person who does not have the ability to express themselves coherently nor will I say how “sick” I am of them.
As Christians, debate can be done heatedly, passionately, without hatred. And I believe that is the majority of what is going on, on these boards. That’s why these boards exist, to communicate whether it be joyfully or in a frustrating, ventful way. I say, let’s show a little more tolerance to the boisterous and opinionated.
Name calling and/or cursing = inability to articulate. When one resorts to this, that is a sign of immaturity. Nevertheless, I won’t dismiss the person who does not have the ability to express themselves coherently nor will I say how “sick” I am of them.
As Christians, debate can be done heatedly, passionately, without hatred. And I believe that is the majority of what is going on, on these boards. That’s why these boards exist, to communicate whether it be joyfully or in a frustrating, ventful way. I say, let’s show a little more tolerance to the boisterous and opinionated.
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tom.wineman
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Gee Whiz, what do you think they invented
forum/bulletin boards for ? If everybody
agreed with each other or didn’t give a
darn then they would take up something useful.
forum/bulletin boards for ? If everybody
agreed with each other or didn’t give a
darn then they would take up something useful.
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SFH
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I think what you’re really sick and tired of is all the ad hominem attacks and pontifications on soap boxes on these forums. I personally love a good argument – one that follows the rules of logic (e.g., modus ponens or modus tollens) and relies on a sound premises. Unfortunately, most of the people on these forums would rather make “cute” little remarks about why their position is right and someone else’s position is wrong rather than present a well-developed argument in support of their position.
I wonder sometimes, however, whether the people who don’t even want to have real arguments/debates about the liturgy recognize that they have the losing side of the argument and that’s the reason they don’t want to get into an argument.
I wonder sometimes, however, whether the people who don’t even want to have real arguments/debates about the liturgy recognize that they have the losing side of the argument and that’s the reason they don’t want to get into an argument.
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