Who is "the great prostitute, who rules over many waters" from Revelation?

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Pagan Rome is absolutely a possibillity, and today it can refer to almost any of the great nations of the world.

US, EU, China, Russia, any of them will quallify for this title.
 
Revelation 18:23, 24 says “The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world’s great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray. In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth.”
 
“Many Biblical scholars believe that “Babylon” is an allegory of the pagan Roman Empire at the time it persecuted Christians.”

“Some traditionalist Catholics who hold the position of Sedevacantism, most notably the Most Holy Family Monastery, believe that a counterfeit bride – a Counter-Catholic Church – will arise in the end times in order to deceive faithful Catholics.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whore_of_Babylon

It must be the a wealthy organization:
How terrible, how terrible for that great city! She was clothed in finest purple and scarlet linens, decked out with gold and precious stones and pearls!
bible.cc/revelation/18-16.htm

In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’ "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.
bible.cc/revelation/18-17.htm

And this woman you saw in your vision represents the great city that rules over the kings of the world."
bible.cc/revelation/17-18.htm
 
“Many Biblical scholars believe that “Babylon” is an allegory of the pagan Roman Empire at the time it persecuted Christians.”

“Some traditionalist Catholics who hold the position of Sedevacantism, most notably the Most Holy Family Monastery, believe that a counterfeit bride – a Counter-Catholic Church – will arise in the end times in order to deceive faithful Catholics.”

i agree with the first.

the second is a possibility i guess.
but i’d still rather take my chances with Rome than with the Sedevacantists.

“and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Jesus about his church.
 
Yup, Roman Empire. If the world were to end todayish, the clearest correlary in modern times is an outfit called the United States of America. Yikes.

Smart catholics don’t try to turn prophecy into predictions though. Prophecy isn’t fortune telling, it is TRUTH telling. There’s a difference that many evangelicals don’t recognize.
 
Yup, Roman Empire. If the world were to end todayish, the clearest correlary in modern times is an outfit called the United States of America. Yikes.

Smart catholics don’t try to turn prophecy into predictions though. Prophecy isn’t fortune telling, it is TRUTH telling. There’s a difference that many evangelicals don’t recognize.
Prophecy more ‘fourth’ telling rather then ‘forthune’ telling. :knight2:
 
Jerusalem is also built on seven hills, and has also been accused of of sleeping with the kings of many nations, meaning unfaithful to God, which the OT as tons of stories about that.
The point is any city, nation, empire, institution, or organization can become this whore. It could never the the true Church because she is protected by the Holy Spirit. Even if a false catholic church arose it would be just that, a false church.
 
Yes, it could be Jerusalem!
Jerusalem is also built on seven hills, and has also been accused of of sleeping with the kings of many nations, meaning unfaithful to God, which the OT as tons of stories about that.
The point is any city, nation, empire, institution, or organization can become this whore. It could never the the true Church because she is protected by the Holy Spirit. Even if a false catholic church arose it would be just that, a false church.
 
Jerusalem is also built on seven hills, and has also been accused of of sleeping with the kings of many nations, meaning unfaithful to God, which the OT as tons of stories about that.
The point is any city, nation, empire, institution, or organization can become this whore. It could never the the true Church because she is protected by the Holy Spirit. Even if a false catholic church arose it would be just that, a false church.
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Regarding the 7 hills:
I think the only scriptural reference used by some non-Catholics to specifically identify the Catholic Church as the harlot/woman is:
Rev.17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are *seven mountains on which the woman is seated; *
Now, the Catholic Church resides in the state of Vatican City. It is a separate, independent state. It sits on a low hill (note the singular). There are not 7 hills in the state of Vatican City.

Sometimes I think the 7 hills refer to the 7 continents of our earth.
 
Once I discovered it is most likely Jerusalem I was able to accept Catholicism:
  • The blood of prophets was ascribed to Jerusalem, who Jesus and much of the Old Testament calls a whore. Rome did not kill OT prophets.
  • Revelation says that the Lord was crucified in spiritual Sodom. Where was He crucified?
  • New Jerusalem is called a bride, so by contrast Old Jerusalem is a whore.
  • The Jews have to accept a false messiah (the Antichrist, where “Christ” means messiah) who will fulfill their ambitions of subduing the world under their perceived opinion of prophecy. Rather than seeing Jesus as spreading knowledge of the Lord across the world, they think the world has to be Jewish for that to happen.
  • Jerusalem has 7 hills.
  • Many Catholic saints and seers claimed that the Antichrist will rule from Jerusalem.
 
IMHO:

The Whore of Babylon is not itself Babylon.

“Babylon” itself (Rome) destroys its “Whore” (Jerusalem).

Revelation 17:16: And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast [Rome]: these shall hate the harlot [Jerusalem], and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire.

Revelation 11:8 : [A]nd their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

Revelation 13:18: This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666 [Nero].

Isaiah 1:21: How the faithful city has become a harlot, she that was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers.

Jeremiah 3:6: The LORD said to me in the days of King Josiah: "Have you seen what she did, that faithless one, Israel, how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and there played the harlot?”

Ezekiel 16:2: Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations.

Ezekiel 16:26-30: You also played the harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your harlotry, to provoke me to anger. Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you, and diminished your allotted portion, and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. You played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; yea, you played the harlot with them, and still you were not satisfied. You multiplied your harlotry also with the trading land of Chaldea; and even with this you were not satisfied. "How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord GOD, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot.

Matthew 23:29-38: Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all this will come upon this generation. ‘O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate’.

Revelation 18:20, 24: Rejoice over her, O heaven, O saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her! And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.
 
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