Who is the One Jesus said is the ONLY true God?

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Fauken said:
f Jesus is the beginning of creation like you say, then he was created, and thus made, not begotten.
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There IS no “if”- that is what it SAYS.
Clergy try to say both are just a title, rather than a description.
But such terms were clear and understandable to every Jew.
As was son, and only-begotten…
 
Then you have a contradiction of terms. Something cannot be both begotten and made.

EDIT: This does not, however, contradict the dual-natures of Our Lord. The humanity of Christ was made, but His divinity as the Son, the second person of the Trinity, He was begotten.
 
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Fauken said:
Then you have a contradiction of terms. Something cannot be both begotten and made.
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Do the parents make the embryo which is later born as a child?
"Birth: and “being made” are a part of the same process.
 
The SCRIPTURES say he is the beginning of creation, the first BORN of creation.
GOD isn’t!
 
That child had a beginning. That child was created. Up until the time of its conception that child did not exist. We agree on this, yes?
 
God isn’t yes. But you are saying that Christ simuleaneously has a beginning (made) and does not have a beginning (begotten). Which is it? Because it can’t be both.
 
Fauken said:
God isn’t yes. But you are saying that Christ simuleaneously has a beginning (made) and does not have a beginning (begotten). Which is it? Because it can’t be both.
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Jesus was the ONLY ONE directly begotten (made/born) by God.
It clearly says that later He made all things THROUGH him.
 
“Made” and “begotten” are not the same thing. Catholics can reconcile His words by saying that the humanity of Christ was made and His divinity was begotten. By my understanding you claim Jesus is not God. He is a creation of God. If he is just a creation like you say, He cannot be both begotten and made. And there is your contradiction of words.
 
Fauken said:
Made” and “begotten” are not the same thing. Catholics can reconcile His words by saying
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Catholics and Baptists and Luhterans, etc, can and DO say whatever they want, adding their OWN definitions to any word.

When Adam was “made” - he was formed from the ground, and life was breathed into him.
When Jesus was “begotten” (made) he was made directly from God’s being, somehow.
They are BOTH spirit (breath/wind- unseen forces) beings, not HUMAN beings.
 
theMadJW said:
Catholics and Baptists and Luhterans, etc, can and DO say whatever they want, adding their OWN definitions to any word.
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So we’re at an impasse then. You believe your definition is correct, I believe mine is correct.

EDIT: A random question, can you touch sadness?
 
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Theology is the study of God. Affirming and denying the Trinity is a theological discussion, whether we cite Scripture or Church Fathers.
 
Fauken said:
Theology is the study of God. Affirming and denying the Trinity is a theological discussion, whether we cite Scripture or Church Fathers.
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1.the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God’s attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
2.a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study. (Such as CATHOLIC theology)
 
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