Who is the Prophet Mohammed?

[Mickey]

“What good does your faith [Islam] have when it is deception, falsehood, myth, error…”
(The Neo-Martyr St Christos the boatman from Preveza, Greece—killed my the Muslims in 1668)

 

[stevet18]

and Moses did have a wife named Miriam but she wasn’t Jesus’ Mary our Blessed Mother.

Moses DID have a wife, but her name was Sephora or Tziporah (depending on pronunciation) NOT Mary. His SISTER was Miriam…

 

[johnnyjones]

It depends what you mean by false. Many of the names of ancient prophets and historical occurrences are used ( just like the Jehovahs Witnesses) but the theology is diabolical… Islam is equal in this matter. Yes they worship the Abrahamic God but do they worship Him in truth. Even the devil believes in God.

 

[Sen_McGlinn]

Who is the Prophet Mohammed to Christians and Jews? Is he mentioned in Sacred Scripture or in any Jewish writings? If so, where?

Some (mainly Shiah Muslims) believe that the 2 witnesses of Revelation 11: 3 are Muhammad and `Ali :

“And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

bible.cc/revelation/11-3.htm

That led to the idea that the Islamic dispensation would end in 1260 AH = 1844 AD. The idea of a predetermined end of the era in itself comes from the Quran, surah 15 vs 4-5:

1. Never did We destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand.
2. Neither can a people anticipate its Term, nor delay it.
   ((Yusuf Ali tr))

Some Muslims have also considered the references in the NT to the paraclete / comforter to be prophecies of Muhammad’s mission.

 

[Mickey]

Some (mainly Shiah Muslims) believe that the 2 witnesses of Revelation 11: 3 are Muhammad and `Ali

Then someone should tell them that it is commonly understood to be Enoch and Elias.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

Arabic Catholic: thanks for your informative post. As for your statement: “…Muhammad is a liar…” I would call you attention to Matt 7:1, “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give out are the judgements you will get…”
And as for Abdul malik bin Marwan being the actual founder of Islam, we should remember that St. Paul was actual the founder of Christianity among the pagans in the Roman Empire, and it was Constantine that made it that empire’s state religion.

 

[jeffrey_erwin]

Some (mainly Shiah Muslims) believe that the 2 witnesses of Revelation 11: 3 are Muhammad and `Ali :

“And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

bible.cc/revelation/11-3.htm

That led to the idea that the Islamic dispensation would end in 1260 AH = 1844 AD. The idea of a predetermined end of the era in itself comes from the Quran, surah 15 vs 4-5:

1. Never did We destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand.
2. Neither can a people anticipate its Term, nor delay it.
   ((Yusuf Ali tr))

Some Muslims have also considered the references in the NT to the paraclete / comforter to be prophecies of Muhammad’s mission.

Mr. Mc Glinn: thanks for your post.
So 1260 AH is 1844AD and the end of the Islamic dispensation. IN 1844AD the Bab announced himself as the promised Mahdi of Islam, and he fortold the imminent arrival of an Islamic Messiah (who turned out to be Baha’Ullah.) I, for one, do not think that us Catholics ought to be so quick to dismiss Islam as a heresy. Baha’Ullah has pointed out a direction for the world to take: “The worship of freedom leds to sedition, the only true freedom is compliance with Allah’s Laws.” “National patriotism must give way to international brotherhood.” Bahai faith supports a creation of a world government and an end to warfare.
I find Bahi precepts to be consistent with the teachings of our great Rabbi, Yehoshua ben Yosef.

 

[doormouse73]

Arabic Catholic: thanks for your informative post. As for your statement: “…Muhammad is a liar…” I would call you attention to Matt 7:1, “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give out are the judgements you will get…”
And as for Abdul malik bin Marwan being the actual founder of Islam, we should remember that St. Paul was actual the founder of Christianity among the pagans in the Roman Empire, and it was Constantine that made it that empire’s state religion.

i dont think he is judging any body here…look at this reference from mohamed in the koran.

“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)[2]

now look at this from the bible…

“But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die.”
~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20)[1]

link is from here…

answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deuteronomy_deductions.htm

read it and you make up your own mind on who mohamed was…

 

[Mickey]

 

[arabic_catholic]

Arabic Catholic: thanks for your informative post. As for your statement: “…Muhammad is a liar…” I would call you attention to Matt 7:1, “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give out are the judgements you will get…”
And as for Abdul malik bin Marwan being the actual founder of Islam, we should remember that St. Paul was actual the founder of Christianity among the pagans in the Roman Empire, and it was Constantine that made it that empire’s state religion.

one question , why you mention Paul and Christianity in your post while I was taking about muhammad and Islam ? what is the connection ? is this the only way to defend your religion

suppose I was a Buddhist or agnostic ! Muhammad is a liar and Abdulmalik bin marwan is the founder of Islam according to honest Scholarship … how you will answer my claim ? karl marx said don’t judge , and lenin was the founder of communism !

this bankruptcy reasoning has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Did muhammad refused to Call Jesus the Son of God ? Yes!

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

Plus Correct your information , Constantine was not the one who made Christianity The state religion , it was Theodosius I. even though again , I have no clue what is that have to do with what I wrote !

 

[Reuben_J]

Arabic, you are stating the obvious and it is for everyone to see.

I would be more selective in whom I dialogue with. I appreciate the differences among followers of different religions and discussion can be objective and along the line according to the topic. So I can understand your frustration.

But there are trolls and people who may not really want to discuss the topic of the thread in a rational manner. Seeing the rule of the Forum, probably they want the thread closed once it gets out of hand and got the attention of the moderators.

I have seen thread on Islamic issues usually do not last long as argument can become trivial with a tit for tat kind of argument and serious posters would not have the chance to really profit from them.

 

[Sen_McGlinn]

i dont think he is judging any body here…look at this reference from mohamed in the koran.

“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)[2]

“Al-Tabari” is not a chapter in the Quran. It is the name of a Persian scholar who wrote a commentary on the Quran, about 200 years after the time of Muhammad. See the [wikipedia article](Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari)

 

[doormouse73]

i never said it was from the chapter from the koran,i said mohamed from the koran.

sorry for not putting it down properly…

 

[perro_sarnoso]

Some (mainly Shiah Muslims) believe that the 2 witnesses of Revelation 11: 3 are Muhammad and `Ali :

“And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

bible.cc/revelation/11-3.htm

That led to the idea that the Islamic dispensation would end in 1260 AH = 1844 AD. The idea of a predetermined end of the era in itself comes from the Quran, surah 15 vs 4-5:

1. Never did We destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand.
2. Neither can a people anticipate its Term, nor delay it.
   ((Yusuf Ali tr))

Some Muslims have also considered the references in the NT to the paraclete / comforter to be prophecies of Muhammad’s mission.

At the time of Muhammad’s emergence onto the “religious scene” he was considered a heretic by both Christians and Jews. He had an over-simplified mixture of both Judaism and Christianity, with poetic yet violent overtones.

He is not a prophet…great or otherwise.

Jesus Christ is the one, true Lord and God of all and St. John the Baptist is His prophet. There is no greater prophet than St. John the Baptist-Prophet of the Most High Jesus Christ.

Muhammed will stand and be judged by the one, true Lord and God of all-Jesus Christ.

 

[Sen_McGlinn]

i never said it was from the chapter from the koran,i said mohamed from the koran.

sorry for not putting it down properly…

OK, I’m with you now. al-Tabari wrote both a history and a commentary: I assumed you were talking about his commentary on Surah 6 verse 111; you meant book 6 of his history, page 111 in Watt’s translation - the incident of the satanic verses. You can read a translation of Tabari’s report at the end of the wikipedia article on Satanic Verses

The latest scholarship on this is that the story as Tabari gives it is a fabrication. The reasons are summarized about halfway down the wikipedia article:

• the story exists in many inconsistent forms
• there is no way to trace the story back to a source in the time of Muhammad (in Islamic terms, the chain of transmission is broken, at the source)
• the surah that this story is supposed to explain is not one unit, but two pericopes that have been joined later. The people who made up the story thought it was one unit, and the story explained what it meant and how it came to be revealed.
• the story is set in Mecca (early period), but has a mosque in it. The first mosque was not built until the Medina period
• The verse that was supposedly annulled and removed from the Quran said “These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.” As Muhammad Abduh noted almost a century ago, “Arabs have nowhere described their gods in such terms as ‘al gharaniq’. Neither in their poetry nor in their speeches or traditions do we find their gods or goddesses described in such terms. Rather, the word ‘al ghurnuq’ or ‘al gharniq’ was the name of a black or white water bird, sometimes given figuratively to the handsome blond youth.” (If gharaniq means high-flying cranes, as is often said, it’s doubly unlikely. Birds are associated with gods all over the world, but water birds go with the gods of river valleys like the Nile and Mesopotamia.)

There remains the possibility of a historical core to the story. Muhammad was tempted to compromise. So was Jesus.

 

[XiWang717]

So, in a nutshell you are saying, Christians and Jews were already worshiping the one true God so they had no need for this monitheistic revelation. Ok, so then you say…some did not accept their teachings so God sent a new teaching made specifically for them so they could accept it. But, Mohammad did not get it right and screwed it all up?

So, what you are implying 1) is that God made a mistake in choosing mohammad for his prophet. and 2) there are two different truths to satisfy both groups.

1. God doesnt make mistakes, how could a true prophet of God fail unless it was Gods intent for him to fail?
   2)There can only be one truth.

The mysteries of God are well beyond the ability of us as mortals to fully comprehend, my friend. Surely, you as a Catholic realize this? God does not err, it is true, but we human beings do. Surely even some of the great prophets of ancient Israel failed God in their tasks?

Mohammad has yet to fulfill his highest calling, it is true, but that does not mean that he did not try to do so. You must understand that even Messengers do not always deliver their messages in their fullest purity. His culture was a warring one, and harsh indeed; even the divine truths he revealed were unable to dilute it fully. Yet even the Church itself recognizes Islam. Do not forget that Muslims recognize Jesus Christ as a man of God as well. I personally feel little attraction for Islam myself, but I do acknowledge it as a fascinating school of thought and belief system.

 

[Reuben_J]

The mysteries of God are well beyond the ability of us as mortals to fully comprehend, my friend. Surely, you as a Catholic realize this? God does not err, it is true, but we human beings do. Surely even some of the great prophets of ancient Israel failed God in their tasks?

Mohammad has yet to fulfill his highest calling, it is true, but that does not mean that he did not try to do so. You must understand that even Messengers do not always deliver their messages in their fullest purity. His culture was a warring one, and harsh indeed; even the divine truths he revealed were unable to dilute it fully. Yet even the Church itself recognizes Islam. Do not forget that Muslims recognize Jesus Christ as a man of God as well. I personally feel little attraction for Islam myself, but I do acknowledge it as a fascinating school of thought and belief system.

I understand from your profile that you are learning about religion and philosophy. So I can understand what you are trying to say in your post. However, you are putting a wrong premise for people who already are in the faith and therefore Catholics would not agree with you here.

A few things here:

(a) a true prophet of God would deliver exactly what God wanted him to. This is one reason why Mohammad is not recognized as a prophet in Christianity.

(b) The Church may recognize Islam as a religion but that does not mean she believe in it. If you are referring to the Vatican, it is a state and has political and diplomatic relations with countries all over the world. It has to function as a state but the Pope is also a spiritual figure. It is quite a balancing act but there is certain demarcation about diplomatic relation and religious belief.

 

[Greatservant]

Well I don’t know exactly where it’s mentioned but His arrival was mentioned by Jesus Himself. Bibles have been changed so many times that it’s very much possible that anything about Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) might have been omitted from the new scriptures

If you are really a christian, maybe you are the only one who could attest to that.

 

[Cathy4941]

Islam states that Jesus was the fourth prophet born of a virgin and was a great teacher. Mohammed was the fifth and final prophet who was given to memorize by the Angel Gabrial the words of the Holy Koran.
Islam is one of the three religions decended from Abraham, Judism, Christianity and islam. Whan Hagar the handmaiden of Sarah was sent into the desert with her son Ishmeal the Angel Gabrial appeared at a well spring so they could have water and told them that from Ishmeal would desend 12 great kings. Mohammad is desended from those tribes or Kings.

 

[jakasaki]

Islam states that Jesus was the fourth prophet born of a virgin and was a great teacher. Mohammed was the fifth and final prophet who was given to memorize by the Angel Gabrial the words of the Holy Koran.
Islam is one of the three religions decended from Abraham, Judism, Christianity and islam. Whan Hagar the handmaiden of Sarah was sent into the desert with her son Ishmeal the Angel Gabrial appeared at a well spring so they could have water and told them that from Ishmeal would desend 12 great kings. Mohammad is desended from those tribes or Kings.

Prove your statements with historical sources and factual history.