Who is the woman in Rev.12?

  • Thread starter Thread starter joseie
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
J

joseie

Guest
I don’t know whether this was discussed in this forum.It appears that there is no unanimous conclusion about this.Some say it is Mary,some say it is the church.But since Rev.gives the picture of things ‘shortly to come’ (Rev 1-1),will the description of the women fleeing to wilderness etc. fit Mary as we belive that she is already in heaven as the queen of heaven and earth.
 
Last edited:
It is believed that rather than this bit being prophecy, it was a vision. It had already happened. Mary had already given birth to the New Covenant. The vision established her place as Queen of Heaven, making it known to the Church.
 
It is Mary but it is also the Church because the Devil makes war to her descendants. I like this verse because it makes her our spiritual mother.
 
My opinion is that, in the distant future, just before the worst part of the tribulation (when the Antichrist reigns) the world will be shown an image of the Virgin Mary in the sky, as a sign from God. The sign will look like the Virgin Mary, but will also represent the Church, since Mary is a figure of the Church.
 
If it is Mary,why then the woman is shown in a helpless, frightful,fleeing stage? That is my doubt.
 
are you talking about the image i posted?

that image is meaningless pop-art

it is the first image i caught when i googled the topic…

I believe the bible verses refer to Mary

post any image you wish…
 
Last edited:
Oh no.I am talking about the description about her situation said in Rev.12
 
I’m persuaded by the view of this article.

“The Woman in Revelation 12 is part of the fusion imagery/polyvalent symbolism that is found in the book. She has four referents: Israel, the Church, Eve, and Mary.”
Click to expand...
Because the Woman is a four-way symbol, different aspects of the narrative apply to different referents. Like Mary, she is pictured as being in heaven and she flies (mirroring Mary’s Assumption). Like the Church, she is persecuted by the Devil after the Ascension of Christ. Like Israel, she experiences great trauma as the Messiah is brought forth (figuratively) from the nation. And like Eve, it is her (distant) seed with which the serpent has his primary conflict.

Conversely, portions of the narrative do not apply to each referent. Mary did not experience literal pain when bringing forth the Messiah, but she suffered figuratively (the prophecy that a sword would pierce her heart at the Crucifixion). Eve did not ascend to heaven. And the Church did not bring forth the Messiah (rather, the Messiah brought forth his Church).
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
well; the Rev bible verse is referred to in the fifth Glorious Mystery
Blockquote
As Mary enters heaven, the entire court of heaven greets with joy this masterpiece of God’s creation.
Mary is crowned by her divine Son as Queen of heaven and earth.
More than we can ever know the Hearts of Jesus and Mary overflow with joy at this reunion.
Only in heaven will we know the great majesty of that coronation, and the joy it gave to the angels and saints.
Even the angels, who by nature are greater than humans, hail Mary as their Queen.
Mary shares so fully in the glory of Christ because she shared so fully in His suffering.
Only in heaven will we see how central is the role of Mary in the divine plan of redemption.
The angels and saints longed for the coming of her whose heel crushes the head of the serpent.
Mary pleads our cause as a most powerful Queen and a most merciful and loving Mother.
A great sign appeared in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars
Click to expand...
http://www.rosary-center.org/glorious.htm
 
Last edited:
Yes,correct and glorious description about Mary.So nothing to do with the poor woman of Rev.12
 
Last edited:
here is the entire Rev 12 at the most catholic source i could find in the 5 minute search i was wlling to put into the effort
Blockquote
Click to expand...
"1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman, robed with the sun, standing on the moon, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

2 She was pregnant, and in labour, crying aloud in the pangs of childbirth.

3 Then a second sign appeared in the sky: there was a huge red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, and each of the seven heads crowned with a coronet.

4 Its tail swept a third of the stars from the sky and hurled them to the ground, and the dragon stopped in front of the woman as she was at the point of giving birth, so that it could eat the child as soon as it was born.

5 The woman was delivered of a boy, the son who was to rule all the nations with an iron sceptre, and the child was taken straight up to God and to his throne,

6 while the woman escaped into the desert, where God had prepared a place for her to be looked after for twelve hundred and sixty days.

7 And now war broke out in heaven, when Michael with his angels attacked the dragon. The dragon fought back with his angels,

8 but they were defeated and driven out of heaven.

9 The great dragon, the primeval serpent, known as the devil or Satan, who had led all the world astray, was hurled down to the earth and his angels were hurled down with him.

10 Then I heard a voice shout from heaven, 'Salvation and power and empire for ever have been won by our God, and all authority for his Christ, now that the accuser, who accused our brothers day and night before our God, has been brought down.

11 They have triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word to which they bore witness, because even in the face of death they did not cling to life.

12 So let the heavens rejoice and all who live there; but for you, earth and sea, disaster is coming – because the devil has gone down to you in a rage, knowing that he has little time left.’

13 As soon as the dragon found himself hurled down to the earth, he sprang in pursuit of the woman, the mother of the male child,

14 but she was given a pair of the great eagle’s wings to fly away from the serpent into the desert, to the place where she was to be looked after for a time, two times and half a time.

15 So the serpent vomited water from his mouth, like a river, after the woman, to sweep her away in the current,

16 but the earth came to her rescue; it opened its mouth and swallowed the river spewed from the dragon’s mouth.

17 Then the dragon was enraged with the woman and went away to make war on the rest of her children, who obey God’s commandments and have in themselves the witness of Jesus.

18 And I took my stand on the seashore."

poor woman? it looks to me like Mary is a champion…
 
Last edited:
Ok.Different perceptions on the same details.
I don’t see any champion woman,but a helpless,crying,pathetic woman because it is the actual description given.If you say that what is really meant is just the opposite of what is written,well ,I surrender.
 
joseie said:
helpless,crying,pathetic woman
Click to expand...
you must be kidding

a woman in labour is certainly struggling

but with the help of God and a good husband She will come through as a Champion

are you married; have you ever been involved in the birth of a child?

your posts seem a little bit on the Misogynistic side

clear your head, shipmate…
 
Last edited:
Omg…Are we talking only about that woman’s delivery ? Read on.How terrible will be the situation if a just delivered mother has to undergo the ordeal as described.Is it my head which is to be cleared or…
 
joseie said:
I don’t know whether this was discussed in this forum.It appears that there is no unanimous conclusion about this.Some say it is Mary,some say it is the church.But since Rev.gives the picture of things ‘shortly to come’ (Rev 1-1),will the description of the women fleeing to wilderness etc. fit Mary as we belive that she is already in heaven as the queen of heaven and earth.
Click to expand...
The Book of Revelation is apocalyptic in genre and therefore many of the things there are symbolic. In other word, we cannot for sure interpret the vision (of St. John) literally as to give their exact meaning. Thus those visions can have a few layers of understanding. The woman in chapter 12 can be understood first of all as Israel, the Church and Mary.
 
Ah, it may be rather like Jesus and his Transfiguration before He suffered more before His coming into His final everlasting glory.

Mary is at once shown in her glorified state, and in her Church Militant state, fleeing with her children but to a place where the dragon cannot get them. The dragon then turns toward whom he still can get. To the original readers of Revelation (who were under pagan Roman persecution which seemed (and was) Satanic, they recognized the prophecy of God putting enmity between the snake and “the woman” as being a rematch between Eden’s snake now grown to a dragon … and, this time, an obedient to God woman and. her son who defeats that Dragon.

The Church becomes the bride of the Lamb at the end of Revelation … bedecked and beautiful and elevated to a Marylike status per intimacy with God (marriage as seen by God is two in one flesh).

Mary as the New Eve (ironically) gets what Eve was trying to steal. Equality with God. Only God-given to the obedient covenant keeper(s) … rather than taken-from-God covenant breaker(s) following Satan’s lies unto losing the paradise Eve already possessed.

Funny thoughts:. If the Rev. 12:1 woman is a REAL woman (not JUST symbolic) it is either Mary or someone LESS! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: For she is most blessed among women.

Also the miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe is a dead ringer for the Rev. 12:1 lady, and her appearance presaged the mass conversions in the America’s to Catholicism from paganism. 😇✝️
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top