Who is the woman in Rev.12?

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Back to your original question, this is part of the article linked earlier in this thread - Jimmy Aiken, Catholic Answers:
Because the Woman is a four-way symbol, different aspects of the narrative apply to different referents. Like Mary, she is pictured as being in heaven and she flies (mirroring Mary’s Assumption). Like the Church, she is persecuted by the Devil after the Ascension of Christ. Like Israel, she experiences great trauma as the Messiah is brought forth (figuratively) from the nation. And like Eve, it is her (distant) seed with which the serpent has his primary conflict.
 
Personally I like Vivaldi’s version of Mgnificat better than Bach even though I didn’t listen to it before. Also that part where you press the G jey to the C key in Winter Allegro nonn Molto doesn’t sound as good as the violin when you play it on the piano. I am pretty sure that Adam and Moses were already dead before Revelation was written and Jesus already ascended to heaven.
 
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Since it is not said in the Scriptures or by the Church, no need nor there is any force in reaching any authoritative onclusion based on that.
 
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joseie said:
Already happened ‘unveiled’??
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Yes, joseie. once you can accept that prophesy is not all about telling the future, you can appreciate that a prophetic word can give God’s perception on past and current events. As humans, we are limited to the space/time continuum in which we exist, but God is not confined this way. He shows us how our temporal events appear from His perspective.

You can laugh about this, but it only demonstrates your ignorance about the nature of prophesy.
joseie said:
.Showing in the vision,those who were already persecuted and died means the vision shows past scenes also?
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No, it just means that not everything is about the future.
joseie said:
Pl.note that what is shown is not the persecution scene,!!
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Those in the vision who died for their faith certainly seemed to have been persecuted…
Dlee said:
Why do you make light of it and not want to consider it?
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He wants to deny (what is in the topic thread) can refer to Mary.
joseie said:
Why?,who said this?😂
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It does not seem to matter, does it? If the Church teaches something that is not consistent with your own opinion.
 
guanophore said:
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Dlee:
I would suggest you check out Jeff Cavins’ Bible Study on Revelation.
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This is a great reference. Unfortunately, I don’t think she wants a Catholic answer. She wants to convert Catholics to a Protestant view.
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Not gonna happen.
 
Dear guanophore,we may agree or disagree with each other on some issues discussed in this forum and, may be, at the end accept some thing if convinced correct.But the way in which you are responding- by splitting a single query( even a sentence )into several parts and replying sepertly to each of the part in which process the entire thrust and meaning of the original query is cleverly destroyed and so the reply could cleverly avoid the basic issue raised- is not only unfair but a sort of evasive and dishonest approach also.
Just for example in this case,I had written this:

“Showing in the vision,those who were already persecuted and died means the vision shows past scenes also?Pl.note that what is shown is not the persecution scene,!!”

Against this, your reply ,given in two parts:

“No, it just means that not everything is about the future.”
“Those in the vision who died for their faith certainly seemed to have been persecuted.”

For a casual reader it would appear that you are examining the issue in minute detail by such splitting up whereas the fact is that it is cleverly done to avoid a specific reply.
Pl.dont feel bad.Just an observation only after seeing many of you responses in many posts.
 
joseie said:
by splitting a single query( even a sentence )into several parts and replying sepertly to each of the part in which process the entire thrust and meaning
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What you have claimed, joseie, is that 1) prophetic literature is all about telling the future and 2) The book of Revelation is about telling the future. Both these are false.
 
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