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Randy_Carson
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Who is/was Jesus?
All opinions are welcome.
All opinions are welcome.
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MaeganFlinchum1
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The Son of God, Our Saviour, Lord and Redeemer…why this question??
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katholikos12
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Fully Divine, Fully Human, Fully Infinite and my savior and part of the the Trinity. My Savior, graceful and merciful Father.
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belorg
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Ubnless “divine” and “human” mean the same thing, being fully divine and fully human is a contradiction. Just like something cannot be fully green and fully red.Fully Divine, Fully Human, Fully Infinite and my savior and part of the the Trinity. My Savior, graceful and merciful Father.
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katholikos12
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That is the mystery of Christ! God thought it not robbery to become equal with man and became one and suffered for our sake. But the Scriptures are clear: He was fully man and fully God. He is able to limit Himself as a man because He is God
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belorg
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It’s also the mystery of greenness that it can be fully red.That is the mystery of Christ! God thought it not robbery to become equal with man and became one and suffered for our sake. But the Scriptures are clear: He was fully man and fully God. He is able to limit Himself as a man because He is God
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katholikos12
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That’s kinda what i’m trying to tell you. He is fully green… while simultaneously being fully red. It is beyond our comprehension but He is fully God and fully Man and this is a fundamental Christian belief.
I understand that you do not adhere to this belief, but this is what the Church teaches and what the Scriptures reveals.
I can’t prove it or understand it fully. But I believe it – that’s why it’s called faith.
I understand that you do not adhere to this belief, but this is what the Church teaches and what the Scriptures reveals.
I can’t prove it or understand it fully. But I believe it – that’s why it’s called faith.
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Polycarp1
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Actually it can. Colours are only assigned once light enters the eye.
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Ghosty
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They’re not contrary because it’s not said that Christ is only human and only Divine, but rather that Christ has the fullness of human nature and the fullness of Divine Nature. Your example with the colors is that of saying something is only red and only green, so it’s not analogical to what is being said of Christ.
Peace and God bless!
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Timothy_Garber
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HAHAHA
Where do you guys get these things? I love them!
And as for this “fully green and red” idea, what if being “fully red”=100 units, and “fully green”=100 units. For someone (or something) to be fully red and fully green, all they would need to have is 200 units of free unit capacity. So, in that context, since God is infinite, He has unlimited unit capacity, and therefore could be fully green and fully red.
@ the asker
As stated above, this is a Great Mystery of our Faith. He was God, the Savior, Redeemer, Protector, etc. Choose one!
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tamedlion
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Try this one but don’t let it confuse you, after all it’s a mistery. Jesus is God the Son but not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit but Jesus is God.
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teenphilo1
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Have you ever seen those cheap bookmarks that have animation on them when you look at them from different angles? Imagine one that isn’t two slightly different pictures, but from one angle it is green and from another it is red. Although we can only see one of the colors at any one time, it is still fully green and fully red. Jesus is like that. We can’t grasp his entire identity all at the same time because we can’t have two thought processes going simultaneously. So although he is fully divine and fully human all the time, we can only grasp these two very facets of Him at the same time. I hope this helps. (or at least makes sense)
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Ghosty
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It really doesn’t require the invocation of mystery, it merely requires understanding what is meant by fullness of nature, and how it applies. For example, immaterial is contrary to material, but it is not a contradiction to say that human nature is both material and immaterial. It wouldn’t even be a contradiction to say we have the fullness of material and immaterial natures.
The problem is that the word “fully” is being used without clearly designating what it means in this context. It doesn’t mean the person of Christ is 100% human and 100% Divine, it means that Christ has 100% of humanity and 100% of Divinity, an entirely non-mysterious statement.
Peace and God bless!
The problem is that the word “fully” is being used without clearly designating what it means in this context. It doesn’t mean the person of Christ is 100% human and 100% Divine, it means that Christ has 100% of humanity and 100% of Divinity, an entirely non-mysterious statement.
Peace and God bless!
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Randy_Carson
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To say that Jesus was fully divine and fully human is not like saying that a cruet is “full” of vinegar and “full” of oil. In that example, the cruet cannot be full of one because it would exclude the other.
OTOH, to say that Jesus was fully human is simply to say that he was a human in the same sense that you and I are human. He had all of the attributes, characteristics and nature of a human being. He was fully divine at the same time.
Man is spirit and body, God is spirit alone. Spirit does not take up any space; so to be fully Spirit does not displace that which is human.
But don’t let me interrupt…continue offering ideas about who Jesus is/was.
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Robyn_p
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Actually not really, because that would be putting humanity and divinity in the same category or on the same level, which they aren’t. More accurately it’d be like a Green Circle, possessing both full greenness and full circleness, no contradiction there. Color being in one category and shape in another.
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Ghosty
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empantarhei
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That is the mystery of Christ! God thought it not robbery to become equal with man and became one and suffered for our sake. But the Scriptures are clear: He was fully man and fully God. He is able to limit Himself as a man because He is God
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belorg
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But “divinity” cannot be just an aspect, like circleness is. Being divine denotes perfection while being human denotes imerfection. It is impossible for something to have the fulneszs of perfection while at the same time not having it.
A circle may have perfect “circleness” but it is not perfect in every sense. That’s where your anoalogy goes wrong. “Fully divine” necssarily has to do with every aspect of a being.
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belorg
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The fulness of divine nature precludes the fulness of human nature, because human nature is NOT “full”.
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katholikos12
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No idea what you’re trying to say
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