Who killed Jesus and why?

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Who killed Jesus and why? There are many partially correct answers to this profound and significant question, but when we explore who is responsible for the death of Jesus we will grow in our love and affection for God. Therefore, who killed Jesus and why? Christianity is about the life and death of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Foretells His Death and Resurrection

From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord! This shall never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” – Matthew 16
 
The Romans carried out the judgement and executed the sentence.
 
chris_molter said:
Ultimately, WE killed Jesus.
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That’s a popular answer, but I’m not sure we can conclude that in the Scriptures. Let’s think about this for a second. Was God the Father obligated to send His Son into the world to save sinners? Was God compelled to save us because there was something in us that was worth saving? I believe we can say the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Therefore, God would have been completely just if we all perished in our sins and trespasses. God didn’t have to save a single sinner since all of us were his enemies and object of His wrath pior to our salvation (Ephesians 2)… So, I would conclude that we did not kill Jesus because God did not have to save anyone from their sins. But thanks for sharing that important view. If you think my view is wrong, please share why?
 
underdog said:
That’s a popular answer, but I’m not sure we can conclude that in the Scriptures. Let’s think about this for a second. Was God the Father obligated to send His Son into the world to save sinners? Was God compelled to save us because there was something in us that was worth saving? I believe we can say the wages of sin is death, and all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Therefore, God would have been completely just if weall perished in our sins and trespasses. God didn’t have to save a single sinner since all of us were his enemies and object of His wrath (Ephesians 2)… So, I would conclude that we did not kill Jesus because God did not have to save anyone for their sins. But thanks for sharing that important view. If you think my view is wrong, please share why?
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If we were not sinners, Jesus would not have had to die. You are taking a view similar to the Muslim view of Hell. We say that people who choose sin over God send themselves to Hell. Muslims say that God sends them to hell.

You are saying that God did it. That is true, but the NEED was created by us.
 
ralphinal said:
If we were not sinners, Jesus would not have had to die. You are taking a view similar to the Muslim view of Hell. We say that people who choose sin over God send themselves to Hell. Muslims say that God sends them to hell.

You are saying that God did it. That is true, but the NEED was created by us.
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Thanks for sharing Ralph. I’m not sure what you are saying. We know Christ came into this world to save sinners. Therefore, sin is the reason for the incarnation. But in the view of grace and mercy, did God have to save us from our sin? Remember the worldwide flood? God would be completely just and glorified if we were all judged with the verdict of eternal destruction. Do you seem to agree or disagree, and why?

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. - Rom 5
 
underdog said:
Thanks for sharing Ralph. I’m not sure what you are saying. We know Christ came into this world to save sinners. Therefore, sin is the reason for the incarnation. But in the view of grace and mercy, did God have to save us from our sin? Remember the worldwide flood? God would be completely just and glorified if we were all judged with the verdict of eternal destruction. Do you seem to agree or disagree, and why?

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. - Rom 5
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“For God so LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his only Begotten Son…”

See, here is the basic, fundamental, over-looked difference between Catholics and some Protestants. We see God as LOVING us. Because of his LOVE for us, he was compelled, as a loving Father always is, to make the ultimate sacrifice for us. He did not have to do so, but to not do so would be to deny his love for us. If he allowed us to suffer eternal damnation with no opportunity to be saved, he would no longer be acting according to his nature, which is LOVE itself.

God loved us. Because he loves us, he wants us to be with him eternally. However,he gave us free-will, so we can choose not to if we want.

I suggest that you look into the letters of John and the Gospel of John some. Then take another look at the whole thing.
 
the bible is clear, the plain fact of history is that the Roman governor made the judgement and the Roman soldiers carried out the execution. The weight of historical evidence regarding Roman attitudes and activities in Judea and other conquered territories is clear, the consistent policy of the empire was to kill local religious & political leaders who even appeared to foment or become a focus of anti-Roman feeling or activity. It was necessary only for a figure to appear as a potential threat to merit execution.
 
ralphinal said:
“For God so LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his only Begotten Son…”

See, here is the basic, fundamental, over-looked difference between Catholics and some Protestants. We see God as LOVING us. Because of his LOVE for us, he was compelled, as a loving Father always is, to make the ultimate sacrifice for us. He did not have to do so, but to not do so would be to deny his love for us. If he allowed us to suffer eternal damnation with no opportunity to be saved, he would no longer be acting according to his nature, which is LOVE itself.

God loved us. Because he loves us, he wants us to be with him eternally. However,he gave us free-will, so we can choose not to if we want.

I suggest that you look into the letters of John and the Gospel of John some. Then take another look at the whole thing.
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I agree that God demonstrated his attribute of divine love through the life and death of Jesus Christ. The cross is a glorious manifestation of an amazing God. However, it appears if you think God is compelled to save his enemies, then you minimize what Christ did. What was your status with God prior to believing in Christ for reconcilation and adoption into the family of God? Maybe we have a different view of mercy and grace? Maybe we understand God’s holiness and justice quite differently too?

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. - Rom 5

2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body [1] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But [2] God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2​

 
withwind said:
I’d like to hear your complete answer. Thanks!
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Thanks for the offer, but let’s give it time to allow others to meditate on this deep and profound subject. My intention has nothing to do with denominational diifferences. The more we reflect on what God did in Christ for His enemies, the more we will grow in our love and affection for God. The Apostle Paul only wanted to know Christ and Him crucified; therefore the death of Jesus should be a major focus for all Christians. The birth of Jesus needs to be understood in context of His life and death, right? Think about the Quran and how that book denies the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus.

Jesus Foretells His Death and Resurrection

From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord! This shall never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” – Matthew 16

Ralph,

have you considered the account of Abraham and the altar with Isaac as a foreshadow to our discussion?
 
withwind said:
I’d like to hear your complete answer. Thanks!
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Underdog likes to lead us on a journey of self-discovery by which we renounce all of our own concepts and adopt his. It is not about Catholic or Protestant but about thinking about Jesus like he does.

But, I do like trying to get through to him, so I keep on.
 
ralphinal said:
Underdog likes to lead us on a journey of self-discovery by which we renounce all of our own concepts and adopt his. It is not about Catholic or Protestant but about thinking about Jesus like he does.

But, I do like trying to get through to him, so I keep on.
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Ralph,

Have you considered the account of Abraham and the altar with Isaac as a foreshadow to our discussion?

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Just having fun with you. In Christ, there is no Jew or Gentile, nor Roman Catholic or Protestant distinction.
 
underdog said:
Ralph,

Have you considered the account of Abraham and the altar with Isaac as a foreshadow to our discussion?
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Hi Underdog:)

Is the power of our salvation found in Christ crucified, or Christ risen?
 
AshleyBelle said:
Hi Underdog:)

Is the power of our salvation found in Christ crucified, or Christ risen?
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Good morning Ashley. That’s a great question, but let’s stay focus on the thread topic first. All I can say that the life, death, burial and ressurection are all significant for us as Christians.
 
The Jews killed Christ, that may not be politically correct but the Jews arrested Christ, turned him over to the Romans and demanded his execution. The Romans flogged Jesus and wanted to release him but the Jewish leadership of the day insisted upon Jesus cruifixion.

Jesus was a Jew and a Rabbi, the Bible foretells of Jesus being killed and rejected by his own people the Jews.

This is part of God’s plan and shouldn’t be used for any form of anti-semitism today.
 
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