Who killed Jesus and why?

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AshleyBelle said:
I think understanding how his life, death, and ressurection applies to our life in Christ, is cruicial to understanding why He died, and “who killed” him:)

I agree with happily, that no-one killed Christ in the sense that He was murdered or His life stopped too early. His minsitry had only been for three years, and He was still a young man when He died for us.

He died, in short, because it was the Father’s will. As He prayed at the garden that this cup may pass… But yet He prayed that “Your will be done.” He didn’t die because it was the will of evil people, but rather it was the Father’s will that He be a perfect sacrifice and attonement for our sins. That His perfect blood, would replace the old, imperfect blood of the old sacrifice of the lamb… And HE would become our perfect, paschal lamb!

The father willed for Christ to die. This does not mean God “killed Jesus.” It means that in His perfect love and mercey, He became flesh, dwelling among us, and giving Himself for us. Only He could fufil this sacrifice, because only He has the power to save:)

So… I ask. how do we apply His sacrificial love to our own lives?
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That’s really good. It’s a difficult concept to understand that it was the will of the Father that Jesus would suffer and die. It’s even more difficult to come to the conclusion that the Father killed Jesus. Let’s wait on that a bit. The Father willed it; therefore Jesus died. We all agree that Jesus the eternal God, 2nd person of the godhead actually died, right? To make in easier, who actually punished Jesus on the cross and why?
 
underdog said:
That’s really good. It’s a difficult concept to understand that it was the will of the Father that Jesus would suffer and die. It’s even more difficult to come to the conclusion that the Father killed Jesus. Let’s wait on that a bit. The Father willed it; therefore Jesus died. We all agree that Jesus the eternal God, 2nd person of the godhead actually died, right? To make in easier, who actually punished Jesus on the cross and why?
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Jesus did not require “punishment” for anything, for HE was guilty of nothing.
 
AshleyBelle said:
Jesus did not require “punishment” for anything, for HE was guilty of nothing.
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I agree, but how about 2 Corinthians 5:21?

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
 
underdog said:
Maybe we should ask… who ordained Him to die and suffer on the cross and why?
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Didn’t you ask who killed Jesus? If you change question, it is better to start a new thread. This will not confuse what you are trying to ask.
 
withwind said:
Didn’t you ask who killed Jesus? If you change question, it is better to start a new thread. This will not confuse what you are trying to ask.
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Please stay with me because they are importantly linked. The wages of sin is condemnation, enmity, seperation from the love of God, just punishment, darkness, and death. We are actually talking about the most glorious act of God in the sense that while we were still sinners, Chrst died for us. If we miss this, we miss Christianity.
 
underdog said:
Be stay with me because they are importantly linked. The wages of sin is condemnation, just punishment and death. We are actually talking about the most glorious act of God in the sense that while we were sinners Chrst died for us.
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We all know He died for us. The question is: who killed Jesus that you posted.
 
underdog said:
I agree, but how about 2 Corinthians 5:21?

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
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This is a good explanation of that passage:
This is a statement of God’s purpose, expressed paradoxically in terms of sharing and exchange of attributes. As Christ became our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30), we become God’s righteousness (cf 2 Cor 5:14-15).
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1 Cor 1:30:
It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption,"

2 Cor 5:14-15:
For the love of Christ impels us, once we have come to the conviction that one died for all; therefore, all have died.
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He indeed died for all, so that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.
 
How about the major Old Testament prophet that gives us significant insight regarding who punished and/or killed Jesus?
 
underdog said:
Okay, therefore you can have empathy for me since you know what’s it like to be on a forum site that is different than your denomination. It’s not easy.
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I have more than empathy for you. I do like you so far.

One of the biggest differances between this site and some others is that when you say what you want, assuming you do not violate rules, you can stay. On some non-dom sites, BEING CAtholic gets you banned.

You are doing fine so far.
 
ralphinal said:
I have more than empathy for you. I do like you so far.

One of the biggest differances between this site and some others is that when you say what you want, assuming you do not violate rules, you can stay. On some non-dom sites, BEING CAtholic gets you banned.

You are doing fine so far.
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Thank Ralph. It’s not easy being a Christian in this world, regardless of our religious affiliation. This is a very neat forum site. The Catholic Christians are generally very gracious and charitable. It’s good to see great passion of what we believe. There is great tension between Christian unity and contending for the essentials of our understanding of the Christian faith. Therefore, I think sometimes it’s good to loosen things up some.

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underdog said:
Thank Ralph. It’s not being Christian regardless of our religious affiliation. This is a very neat forum site. The Catholic Christians are generally very gracious and charitable. It’s good to see great passion of what we believe. There is great tension between Christian unity and contending for the essentials of our understanding of the Christian faith. Therefore, I think sometimes it’s good to loosen things up some.
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I think the “problem,” however, and the main disagreeance, is what do we consider “essential” and “Non essential.” What part of the truth is deemed “not essential” and who has the authority to deem it thus?
 
AshleyBelle said:
I think the “problem,” however, and the main disagreeance, is what do we consider “essential” and “Non essential.” What part of the truth is deemed “not essential” and who has the authority to deem it thus?
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Tough one for all Christians in every generation. I’m not much for burning others at the stake.
 
underdog said:
If we study church history, some doctrines that were considered heresy resulted in being burned at the stakes. I was commenting on the struggle to determine the essentials from the secondary issues.
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I’m not talking about what sinful people did… Or how Christians chose to treat one another…

I’m talking about truth. We have different groups of Christians all suggesting that some parts of what Christ revealed are “essential” and some are “non essential.” So who do we know we can trust? Certainly we don’t want to miss what Christ revealed because we were hung up on the bare minimun, watered down gospel do we?
 
AshleyBelle said:
I’m not talking about what sinful people did… Or how Christians chose to treat one another…

I’m talking about truth. We have different groups of Christians all suggesting that some parts of what Christ revealed are “essential” and some are “non essential.” So who do we know we can trust? Certainly we don’t want to miss what Christ revealed because we were hung up on the bare minimun, watered down gospel do we?
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Do you mind starting a thread on discerning essentials from secondary issues, and non-essentials? I’m curious to read your take on what are essential issues.
 
withwind said:
This dog might be wondering why he is still alive and other human babies didn’t. It will be tough for the poor dog to understand the complicated mind and heart of men.
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Did you ever ponder Romans 13 and politics? When Paul wrote Romans 13, I believe Nero was the ruler.
 
underdog said:
Do you mind starting a thread on discerning essentials from secondary issues, and non-essentials? I’m curious to read your take on what are essential issues.
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Actually if you’re looking for my take, it would be a short thread:) I think all that Christ revealed is essential… and no man can pick and choose what we “need” and don’t “need” about the truth.
 
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