Who loves anime here?

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Madoka Magica an unrealistic series? It’s entire point was to show what would really happen if someone actually became a magical girl, all the trials, trauma and troubles they have to go to. And unlike other studio shaft shows, it doesn’t end on a grim dark ending. In fact, it has one of the greatest endings I have ever seen. It’s happy yes, but it’s so sad at the same time. It’s up there with Death Note, Cowboy Bebop, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Monster and 20th Century Boys.

I didn’t watch Hayate the Combat Butler for Nagi. I came for the comedy and stayed for all the characters, specifically Hayate and Hinagiku. Nagi isn’t that much of a tsundere in the sense that she actually gets character development. While the jokes made me smile at first, later on the became very, very funny, with the flying saucer scene in season 2 almost killing me with laughter. As I said, the characters were great. They had perfect chemistry betwween each other, they were all memorable and loveable and Hayate’s point was that he was a parody of the nice guy. he’s a parody sue but still very likeable, still troubled and still interesting.

Hayate is one of those feel good type of shows except that it has much more drama and the characers and their interactions between each other are very, very well done. I read it when I’m feeling depressed a sit’s pure sweet dreams fuel but far from being a guilty pleasure.

You know, reading your description of these shows, I have to say you clearly haven’t seen them. If you did, even if you didn’t like them you wouldn’t say half the things you said. Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
 
I’m going to do a little thing on how Western “mature” cartoons and anime are seen

I’m sorry that I can’t get a correct quote on this.I really wish I could but I’m darn sure that it was either *Ralph Bakshi or Robert Crumb who sometime in the 70’s said that “I cant stand how there are bloody wars being fought in Vietnam but here in America are grown men who spend all day drawing field of happy flowers” or something close to that.Oh man if only that guy (whichever of the two it was) saw 70’s anime with Japanese subs like
Space Battleship Yamato ,Lupin III or any of the various super robo shows from that time period to see what the beautiful face of ACTION animation looks like when done properly.MAN!,that would have porbably changed the landscape of American animation VERY MUCH SO!.It would lift the burden of having to depend on DC and Marvel adaptations giving those guys a break for creative recharge for one thing.

Historically “mature” American animation has only spanned as far as audiocious wannabe sitcoms (Simpsons or any Seth MacFarlance junk) or bizzare and vulgar raunch-fests (Aquateen hunger force,Ren and stimpy,Squidbillies…junk on the Canadian channel Teletoon which is stuff I’m ashamed of having known).I personally really dislike that stuff although I’ll admit I have watched the wannabe sitcoms when I was younger. I personally still find it ssssooo odd >:-/ that ppl are so **accepting of stuff like that when they tune in to Fox’s line up of the Simpsons and Seth MacFarlane cartoons or South park referances ack!,how it drives me bonkers that my cousins love that stuff but cant appreciate anime!] but they cringe with skepticism at anime stuff that is more diverse in genre but obviously more **serious (esp.the seinen sort) like Ghost in the shell,Fullmetal alchemist or Lupin III thinking that “:confused::nope:ewww,cartoons aren’t suppose to be serious [outside of relatively tame Disney or Dreamworks movies].Why are they doing that?.Why is there so much violence?.Why is there so much blood?.Why are things going so slowly?.Why are they trying to be dramatic?:(

In my mind I’m like “* :ehh::mad: Really D:<?.When it comes to the art that goes behind moving pictures you except garbage like stupid,vulgar and lazily written jokes about pop culture,politics and domestic life that practically anyone can do but when some ppl actually attempt to do something more authentically creative,with a more real depth and maybe without the overt satirical subtext using stories,messages and tropes that are so common to sci-fi,fantasy and thriller genres all of mediums all of a sudden your weirded out by it?..What is the art style turning you off so much?!.Is the non-Western cultural referances turning you off?.Do you know that this actually has a much bigger production budget?.*”.

Also as far as what parents can comment about how inappropriate stuff I will state that yeah BOTH American “mature” animation and anime aren’t always morally responsible but by the same token there are many cheesy action movies that do “violence for the sake of violence” like a lot of stuff from the 80’s vs.more intellectual stuff like Inception,Blood diamond,the Matrix trilogy etc.In one you see bad stuff popping and being spewed out with no really good reason while in the other at least some more thought was put into it to give it quality and meaning.The same could be said of sexuality,drugs,swearing and other debatable topics.In the case of mature Western animation the trend seems to be “[x] for the sake of [x]” which is definately not the case as often in anime.

A lot of the origins of the “mature” American animation has it’s roots in underground comix and animation by Robert Crumb and Ralph Bakshi IMO.As far as the animation and comics that are around goes it’s been years since their stuff was the most lurid around.For the most part anime has taken that spot on many levels and I would REALLY like to know what those guys think about anime and manga.As far as Ralph Baskshi goes from what I’ve found on his take on this is

The rise of anime had to happen. If the Japanese could tell better American stories, it would go through the roof. They still tell stories which are very much oriental. I take my hat off to them.” (brainyquote.com/quotes/qu…ruyzbdUTe3E.99)

Which is a pretty cool thing coming from an ****old guy like him wouldn’t you say?👍.

Two names who were famous for the controversially inappropriate blue humour in their animation (Bakshi) and underground comix (Crumb) when they got there starts in like the 60’s or 70’s.Stuff from Bakshi includes Heavy traffic*,Hey good looking,American Pop and stuff from Crumb includes Zap comix along with infamous Fritz the Kat (which was adapted by Bakshi into a movie).I’ll admit though I found Bakshi’s mediocre LOTR animated movie okay-ish and historically significant and liked his collabo with Frank Franzetta on the animated “barbarian fantasy” movie Fire and Ice.

I mean really :mad:! Ppl will accept the gross sexual stuff on Family guy,the msg’s in it which it’s creator espouses and see Stewie and Brian doing a musical at '07 Emmy’s but they all react with repulsion at brief totally non-sexual nudity like in a magic girl transformation sequence and start blabbing on about how the Japanese allow that stuff?.Heck,I think personally I think it would be awesome to see Naruto and L host a segment on the next Teen choice awards segment or something to that effect !.

***It’s animation like anime that gives me hope that when I’m older and if I have kids that when they watch animation whether kiddie-ish anime or cartoons or more serious/sophisticated anime and (hopefully by then non-sitcom style) Western cartoons me and many others will be much more understanding and gladly watch those shows with them since we understand that animation can range VERY widely and can do many things after having grown up in a time where it was more stigmatized.And hence animation of all kinds will flourish and grown nicely,eh?

****Despite how I dont quite think anime and manga stories tell only stories that are so “oriental” than Westerners can’t relate to them.The widespread circulation of both would seem to disprove that but he might be right that some of the themes they choose have a specifically Japanese character b/c even though the .U.S. has its martial self-sacrifice stories,they have a different feel than those of Japan. That being said, I don’t think Japanese authors could just throw off their own culture as easily as Bakshi’s statement suggests, any more than American authors could rapidly assimilate Japanese cultural priorities.

On another note I need advice as to how to arrange my manga reading habits.There are 3 in particular that are have been on-going for a while now and that I’ve barely scratched the surface of :Vinland saga at 85 chapters,Jisatsutou at 42 ch’s,Historie at 76 ch’s and Tekken Chinmi legends at 48 ch’s .Is there a way I could read and reach them all to their current points in 2 months?.At what pace would I have to go?.2,4 or 6 chapters of each a day?.Advice on this is appreciated so that I dont end up in the same “lost track of where the leading ship” like if I were into the “Big 3 shonen”
 
I forget to say this before in my previous posting.Something else that I think has played an important part in how anime & manga action and drama is executed that cant be overlooked IMO are *tokusatsu *shows.Yes:rolleyes: even if it’s sorta hokey to see superheroes with a trend inclined to gaudy,brightly colored costumes and semi-armored to full-armored look I’m sure that when manga or anime makers watch that stuff as little kids it helps influence their sub-conscious into deciding what action a/o drama will twinge with humanity despite any fantastical-ness.Me myself I’m curious to watch Garo :).I’m not sure if I can say if it’s been the same or reverse with American superheroes like the Green hornet,Adam West’s Batman,Smallville,Linda Carter Wonder woman,NBC’s Heroes,sci-fi stuff like Star trek,Doctor Who and Battlestar galactica or even horror stuff like Vincent Price’s stuff and Buffy the vampire slayer.I tip my hat off to ppl on both side of the globe for doing the *rubber costumes,make-up and hammy-ness thing but honestly I admire the Japanese more for taking this to a greater length.It was sure endearing to me when I was kid even if it was the Americanized Power rangers and I hope that kids are still endeared by such stuff.Somehow I have a feeling that growing cosplay movement in the West will help this stuff out.

However excluding obvious tokusatsu hero stuff I really wonder if the Japanese have a similar sense of restraint with their movies.And dont give me that Akira Kurosawa’s stuff forever spiel :rolleyes: --.I referring to some *really funky --* modern stuff like Fugu & Tako,Killer sushi and Big man Japan.

Gotta catch me some Kamen rider Wizard now ppl! :D.

*Remember good ppl in anime form their coolness factor increases by 9000% 😉
 
I know professional manga artists have quite a number of assistants. Hiro Mashima has 6 manga.about.com/od/mangaartistinterviews/a/HiroMashima_2.htm I read 9 volumes from those “How to Draw Manga” series of books and it sure sounds like it can be stressful.
So is this a hobby, or are you considering making this into a career? I love to draw and would love to make a living out of it, but I’m pretty bad at it :o.
I study it; that’s why it’s threatening to eat my life. 😛 And yes, one would not go far in this business if he did not have assistants helping him. Especially those who work in weekly anthologies, where you have a week to plot, sketch, draw sixteen or more page’s worth of manga and to get it printed.
 
I wonder why people substitute the word ‘mature’ for ‘dirty.’
 
You really think so? Thing is, I haven’t watched anime in the past few days much except for Bebop and even then I only saw something like 2 to 3 episodes a day. I’m actually just bored and thats why I post so much on this thread. To be honest, I’ve been having a lot of insomnia and depression lately and before you ask, I’ve always had depression, way before I got involved in anime. I’m bipolar tbh. I think I am a bit obsessed with anime in the sense I’m always analyzing it’s themes and thinking hard about them, trying to follow them and reconciling them with Christian morals. Thing is, anime has actually helped me in having a greater will to do stuff whereas before I didn’t have such a strong will. The will to live is stronger than anything else, stay alive, unbreakable resolve, life is just a dream, forget the past and look to the future, repent and change, you’re still human, life is just a dream etc… it helps me actually try to beleive in myself because nobody ever takes me seriously and if they do, it’s quickly forgotten. I feel that if I were to become more like the character I love, people would be forced to acknowledge my wants and my desires.

Another thing is that anime sort of develops my imagination and makes me go crazy thinking about what type of person I could be. I don’t want to be a samurai like Kenshin or a gunslinger like Vash but seeing them, I want to be a nice guy, always willing to help others, never having a harsh word to say, having a very strong heroic resolve, etc… it’s the same with the Blessed Virgin, I always wanted to be like her. In fact, I always wanted to be a good person simply so that she would love me and acknowledge my love for her. It’s just that I’m scared that because I used to be such a rotten kid when I was a teenager, because I used to sin allot in regards pornography and because I’m always losing my confidence, even if she forgives me she would not look at me as a great son; I’m scared that she’d always have in font of her eyes my past sins and would not love me as she loves other saints. Because of that, I’m very envious of people like Doctor Tenma, Kenshin Himura, the Elric brothers, Kouta, Simon from TTGL, Hayate Ayasaki, etc… instead, I always end up punishing myself for not being as good as them. I also envy them for having so many friends and having the confidence they would never intentionally upset them; me, I don’t have any friends except online. Something always tells me that they would find me unpleasant and boring because my life is rather boring. I’m always talking about how to write books, how this or that work of fiction is the greatest, on cooking, etc…

I just don’t have confidence and watch anime mostly to escape from reality and become a better person. I don’t escape from reality in order to ignore it, I escape from it just to be able to face it as lets face it, the world is a horrible place to live. It’s just that it’s going to take a lot of work in order to fix it and bring the triumph of the immaculate Heart.

What do you guys think? My biggest gripe is my business with Mary. I’m scared that even if I do my best and more, she will still adore the other saints more than me because I’m not innocent by any means. Sorry for the whole rant, I just needed someone to talk to. I know she’s supposed to look at us not how we were but what we are today but still, God even after he forgives us still punishes us. I used to think that the Blessed Virgin was diffirent from God because unlike God, she forgives us without demanding punishment and never abandons sinners. At the same time, I’m really scared that I just come off as whiny. I don’t think I am whiny. If I were whiny, I wouldn’t be attempting to fix my problems; I just need friends and encouragement to preserve my will to live. If I did everything all alone, if I had no morality chain, who knows what type of person I’d become.
Okay… well I’m sorry you struggle with all this anyway. I guess you haven’t really watched that much lately but the other thing that gave me that impression before was your saying you would limit yourself to 10 episodes a day not that long ago. In general I just didn’t understand why there was such a defensive response when your tastes in anime didn’t match up with the consensus opinion. (or even saying it “scares” you when this happens) I don’t mean to harp on it or anything but now at least I kind of understand what you’re going through.

Seriously though, I don’t know what else to tell you but I hope you find some kind of help for all this. Try not to dwell on past sins for sure, thinking somehow God or Mary still holds them against you even after you confess them. Off the top of my head, I’m sure St. Paul and St. Augustine did much worse things than you ever did before they finally repented but look at their standing now in spite of it all. What matters is how you live from now on.
 
Of the new anime that will be coming out this Fall, I’m really looking forward to the Hayate the Combat Butler reboot and the Little Busters! anime.
 
No idea what you mean, other than defending the mis-use of language.
I disagree that you think it’s a misuse of language. There is such a thing as “dirty”, but just because someone uses the term “Mature” to cover the implications of sexuality does not mean they’re trying to dress up something vulgar. I’m pretty sure many films on the Vaticans list of notable films would be categorized as “mature” for sexual nature, yet I would never call them dirty. We’re not talking porn here.
 
I study it; that’s why it’s threatening to eat my life. 😛 And yes, one would not go far in this business if he did not have assistants helping him. Especially those who work in weekly anthologies, where you have a week to plot, sketch, draw sixteen or more page’s worth of manga and to get it printed.
Speaking of Hiro Mashima… I believe the recent developments of Fairy Tail could prove as an ample demonstration of story-telling difficulties faced by these same authors. >_<
 
I don’t see why it’s so surprising. I don’t remember a rule stating that a Catholic must produce perfectly Catholic works.
No, I’m just genuinely surprised because it’s not everyday you get to know that someone’s a Christian - much less Catholic - here.
 
So, you folks give recommendations here? I found the myanimelist.net recommendations pretty lacking, and found it hard to find other anime I liked.
 
God bless those funimation ppl 4 putting up entire seasons of shows 4 free on youtube even if it is subbed.Just so I dont miss out r there like rules as to how long the anime vids on that channel can stay up for?.
 
Speaking of Hiro Mashima… I believe the recent developments of Fairy Tail could prove as an ample demonstration of story-telling difficulties faced by these same authors. >_<
Writer’s block, my friend, writer’s block. 😉
 
So, you folks give recommendations here? I found the myanimelist.net recommendations pretty lacking, and found it hard to find other anime I liked.
Dude, there are pages and pages ehre full of good anime recommendations. I suggest you watch Neon Genesis Evangelion or Cowboy Bebop. Right now, I;m going to watch Berserk and Baccano!
 
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