I’m going to do a little thing on how Western “mature” cartoons and anime are seen
I’m sorry that I can’t get a correct quote on this.I really wish I could but I’m darn sure that it was either *Ralph Bakshi or Robert Crumb who sometime in the 70’s said that “
I cant stand how there are bloody wars being fought in Vietnam but here in America are grown men who spend all day drawing field of happy flowers” or something close to that.Oh man if only that guy (whichever of the two it was) saw 70’s anime with Japanese subs like
Space Battleship Yamato ,Lupin III or any of the various super robo shows from that time period to see what the
beautiful face of
ACTION animation looks like when done properly.MAN!,that would have porbably changed the landscape of American animation VERY MUCH SO!.It would lift the burden of having to depend on DC and Marvel adaptations giving those guys a break for creative recharge for one thing.
Historically “
mature” American animation has only spanned as far as audiocious wannabe sitcoms (Simpsons or any Seth MacFarlance junk) or bizzare and vulgar raunch-fests (Aquateen hunger force,Ren and stimpy,Squidbillies…junk on the Canadian channel Teletoon which is stuff I’m ashamed of having known).I personally really dislike that stuff although I’ll admit I have watched the wannabe sitcoms when I was younger. I personally still find it
ssssooo odd >:-/ that ppl are so **accepting of stuff like that when they tune in to Fox’s line up of the Simpsons and Seth MacFarlane cartoons or South park referances
ack!,how it drives me bonkers that my cousins love that stuff but cant appreciate anime!] but they cringe with skepticism at anime stuff that is more diverse in genre but obviously more **serious (esp.the seinen sort) like Ghost in the shell,Fullmetal alchemist or Lupin III thinking that “

:nope:
ewww,cartoons aren’t suppose to be serious [outside of relatively tame Disney or Dreamworks movies].
Why are they doing that?.Why is there so much violence?.Why is there so much blood?.Why are things going so slowly?.Why are they trying to be dramatic?
”
In my mind I’m like “* :ehh:

Really D:<?.When it comes to the art that goes behind moving pictures you except garbage like stupid,vulgar and lazily written jokes about pop culture,politics and domestic life that practically anyone can do but when some ppl actually attempt to do something more authentically creative,with a more real depth and maybe without the overt satirical subtext using stories,messages and tropes that are so common to sci-fi,fantasy and thriller genres all of mediums all of a sudden your weirded out by it?..What is the art style turning you off so much?!.Is the non-Western cultural referances turning you off?.Do you know that this actually has a much bigger production budget?.*”.
Also as far as what parents can comment about how inappropriate stuff I will state that
yeah BOTH American “
mature” animation and anime aren’t always morally responsible but by the same token there are many cheesy action movies that do “
violence for the sake of violence” like a lot of stuff from the 80’s vs.more intellectual stuff like Inception,Blood diamond,the Matrix trilogy etc.In one you see bad stuff popping and being spewed out with no really good reason while in the other at least some more thought was put into it to give it quality and meaning.The same could be said of sexuality,drugs,swearing and other debatable topics.In the case of mature Western animation the trend seems to be “[x]
for the sake of [x]” which is definately not the case
as often in anime.
A lot of the origins of the “mature” American animation has it’s roots in underground comix and animation by Robert Crumb and Ralph Bakshi IMO.As far as the animation and comics that are around goes it’s been years since
their stuff was the most lurid around.For the most part anime has taken that spot on many levels and I would REALLY like to know what those guys think about anime and manga.As far as Ralph Baskshi goes from what I’ve found on his take on this is
“
The rise of anime had to happen. If the Japanese could tell better American stories, it would go through the roof. They still tell stories which are very much oriental. I take my hat off to them.” (
brainyquote.com/quotes/qu…ruyzbdUTe3E.99)
Which is a pretty cool thing coming from an ****old guy like him wouldn’t you say?

.
Two names who were famous for the controversially inappropriate blue humour in their animation (Bakshi) and underground comix (Crumb) when they got there starts in like the 60’s or 70’s.Stuff from Bakshi includes Heavy traffic*,
Hey good looking,
American Pop and stuff from Crumb includes Zap comix along with infamous
Fritz the Kat (which was adapted by Bakshi into a movie).I’ll admit though I found Bakshi’s mediocre LOTR animated movie okay-ish and historically significant and liked his collabo with Frank Franzetta on the animated “barbarian fantasy” movie
Fire and Ice.
I mean really 
! Ppl will accept the gross sexual stuff on Family guy,the msg’s in it which it’s creator espouses and see Stewie and Brian doing a musical at '07 Emmy’s but they all react with repulsion at brief totally non-sexual nudity like in a magic girl transformation sequence and start blabbing on about how the Japanese allow that stuff?.Heck,I think personally I think it would be awesome to see Naruto and L host a segment on the next Teen choice awards segment or something to that effect !.
***It’s animation like anime that gives me hope that when I’m older and if I have kids that when they watch animation whether kiddie-ish anime or cartoons or more serious/sophisticated anime and (hopefully by then non-sitcom style) Western cartoons me and many others will be much more understanding and gladly watch those shows with them since we understand that animation can range VERY widely and can do many things after having grown up in a time where it was more stigmatized.And hence animation of all kinds will flourish and grown nicely,eh?
****Despite how I dont quite think anime and manga stories tell
only stories that are so “
oriental” than Westerners can’t relate to them.The widespread circulation of both would seem to disprove that but he might be right that some of the themes they choose have a specifically Japanese character b/c even though the .U.S. has its martial self-sacrifice stories,they have a different feel than those of Japan. That being said, I don’t think Japanese authors could just throw off their own culture as easily as Bakshi’s statement suggests, any more than American authors could rapidly assimilate Japanese cultural priorities.
On another note I need advice as to how to arrange my manga reading habits.There are 3 in particular that are have been on-going for a while now and that I’ve barely scratched the surface of :Vinland saga at 85 chapters,Jisatsutou at 42 ch’s,Historie at 76 ch’s and Tekken Chinmi legends at 48 ch’s .Is there a way I could read and reach them all to their current points in 2 months?.At what pace would I have to go?.2,4 or 6 chapters of each a day?.Advice on this is appreciated so that I dont end up in the same “lost track of where the leading ship” like if I were into the “Big 3 shonen”