Who may preside at solemn vesper(s)

[daverichey]

who may preside and are rituals such as incense lighting/blessing, stirring baptismal waters, lighting candles from easter candle, circling altar, offering intercesssions, etc OK to be performed by the lay of the church during vespers? thanks for responding

 

[Wesley7]

Re: who may preside at solemn vesper(s)

Usually the Deacon.

 

[laszlo]

Preferable the the one with the highest rank.

In many monasteries in the ancient times, they had no resident priest, so one without order presided. So did the hermits.

I do not know about the incense. Incense should be blessed, I do not believe that anyone but priest or bishop has right for this blessing. I ma ye wrong, but according to the canon law the permission had to be explicit;

Can. 1169 §1. Those marked with the episcopal character and presbyters permitted by law or legitimate grant can perform consecrations and dedications validly.
§2. Any presbyter can impart blessings except those reserved to the Roman Pontiff or bishops.
§3. A deacon can impart only those blessings expressly permitted by law.

 

[porthos11]

Preferable the the one with the highest rank.

In many monasteries in the ancient times, they had no resident priest, so one without order presided. So did the hermits.

I do not know about the incense. Incense should be blessed, I do not believe that anyone but priest or bishop has right for this blessing. I ma ye wrong, but according to the canon law the permission had to be explicit;

Can. 1169 §1. Those marked with the episcopal character and presbyters permitted by law or legitimate grant can perform consecrations and dedications validly.
§2. Any presbyter can impart blessings except those reserved to the Roman Pontiff or bishops.
§3. A deacon can impart only those blessings expressly permitted by law.

Further, a layperson is not to enter the sanctuary, if I understand right, so incensing the altar is out of the question.

 

[DCNBILL]

Preferable the the one with the highest rank.

In many monasteries in the ancient times, they had no resident priest, so one without order presided. So did the hermits.

I do not know about the incense. Incense should be blessed, I do not believe that anyone but priest or bishop has right for this blessing. I ma ye wrong, but according to the canon law the permission had to be explicit;

Can. 1169 §1. Those marked with the episcopal character and presbyters permitted by law or legitimate grant can perform consecrations and dedications validly.
§2. Any presbyter can impart blessings except those reserved to the Roman Pontiff or bishops.
§3. A deacon can impart only those blessings expressly permitted by law.

A deacon who is presiding at solemn vespers may prepare the incense.

 

[laszlo]

A deacon who is presiding at solemn vespers may prepare the incense.

Source?

 

[DCNBILL]

Source?

In the Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite Ignatius Press it states #753 …that the “celebrant is a priest, or in the absence of a priest a deacon” It goes on to describe the rite and the use of incense is not omitted for the deacon celebrant. This is also true for the rites of the Funeral Liturgy outside of Mass and the Rite for Benediction when deacons preside.

 

[laszlo]

In the Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite Ignatius Press it states #753 …that the “celebrant is a priest, or in the absence of a priest a deacon” It goes on to describe the rite and the use of incense is not omitted for the deacon celebrant. This is also true for the rites of the Funeral Liturgy outside of Mass and the Rite for Benediction when deacons preside.

Thanks. This makes sense, the incense is not to be blessed;

-The priest or deacon incenses the Blessed Sacrament in veneration.

(from the rite of benediction with the Eucharist)

 

[DCNBILL]

Thanks. This makes sense, the incense is not to be blessed;

(from the rite of benediction with the Eucharist)

Note that when incense is used in liturgy it is always proper to bless it, Bishop, priest or deacon. This is clear in the rites “the incense is prepared and blessed…” # 680 from the above reference.