St Francis, thanks for your responses and interest in answering these questions, they are probably a bit annoying? Tried searching on google for information on this topic, but many took me to sites about Angels and Demons which either were about the Dan Brown Book having nothing to do with my inquiry or werent based on church doctrine merely a collection of urban legends and other mythologies without proper citations. Overall thanks for your time and effort in these questions or discussions. I could just have these discussions in my head but that wouldnt be very useful without good information from community feedback if that makes sense.
It is not respectful to leave the first letter of God’s name lower-case.
Sorry for that if it occurs either my shift key doesnt respond or I am typing and forget, been working on paying more attention to this since my habit in online type is not to use any capitalization at all, its a personal thing that I am paying more attention to, thanks for the supportive reminder.
For that one moment, they had free will to choose to obey God or to become enemies of God.
When they were created, 1/3 decided not to obey God. The decision was made by all the angels simultaneously, as I underdstand it.
The angels can no longer change their minds. That was a special gift God gave them, for just a moment.
They have made thier choices, and they can no linger change.
This is what I dont understand, so God gives them the ability to choose for a moment then they make their choice and their stuck with it, I get that part. Then it says that satan led 1/3 of the angels with him, well how did that happen if the others were already good then they should stay in heaven? Having trouble understanding the whole they cant change their minds part with how they changed their minds.
If the devil took 1/3 how do we know that means they followed? What if that means he killed them or imprisoned them like prisoners of wars? Does the devil have the power to kill an angel? Because as seen in the picture in this thread Michael has a sword, what is that sword for? It must be a weapon to kill devils but he doesnt kill the devils and not to sure how many devils he killed but I dont recall reading about Michael killing them per se, if angels can kill eachother then couldnt they also kill humans when in physical form?
It is said that the bad angels rebelled because God wanted the angels to serve us humans.
Isnt that what the devils ended up doing working with mankind because there is alot about the devil being on the earth in the bible but not much about angels advancing any changes or exerting any influence over humanity. It is what makes me wonder why the devils are considered “bad”, did we as humans give them that reputation based on our limited understanding of the bible?
In some posts people say God asked the devil to be good or evil, others as you noted say god asked the devil to become his enemy or not. That seems very unusual, who would meet someone they didnt know and say they would be an enemy? Also if this question was posed by god at the moment of their creation with a moment to react to the question, how would any angel or otherwise have the mental faculties to arrive at a conclusion? In other words if their minds were created by god to make certain choices then maybe its the question we dont know about so we dont know it? Does this imply all the angels were created at the same time given the same moment to make the decision? Doesnt it say the devil and other angels were made better by God, those probably are not the right words but something like that.
My main concern is how do we know the devil is “evil” what if that is just our limited understanding of something we cant understand? He doesnt seem so “evil” doesnt seem the devil is portrayed as being “evil” such as making people trip and fall in mud or making peoples batteries constantly die in our iphones or going around say kicking puppies, that would be pretty “evil”. Creating the human race doesnt seem evil, or testing Jesus, I got tested in school all the time I wouldnt consider my teachers evil, well maybe this one english professor was a bit evil, he was kinda mean. The devil didnt kill Jesus, that would be “evil”. In those examples the few I can think of the devil seems to be acting as an instrument of God much like angels are similarly portrayed. Also so Demons can possess people but there are no records I know of for Angels possessing people, what if its the angels who are evil because they care not for humans since no interaction or if its that angels influence heaven keeping order while devils influence the realm of man? What would the purpose of the creation of an Angel be or Demon which I feel would be to be instruments of God regardless of classification they seem to do the same thing acting as instruments of Gods Will.
Just dont get what a devil is and how they fit into things, if they had free will to choose then that is a terrible design flaw which goes against the powers of God. Angels given free will to make such a flawed choice, would be equivalent to me making a car with a 50/50 chance it blows up. That is why I am unsure who or what this devil is, or is it an abstract principal having no real world value at all outside of a metaphorical teaching which seems to offer nothing biblical as a teaching to us as humans since their not human at all.
