=NoelFitz;6964659]I read in 2 Tim 1
Who is our Savior in 2 Tim, in the PE (1 Tim, 2 Tim, Tit), in all of Paul, in the NT?
Is it God, Jesus or both?
What were we saved from according to these texts?
How were we saved?
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are ONE GOD; three Divine Persons [the way God choose to make Himself known and present to us] and all salvation flows through the Person of Jesus Christ.
**Heb. 5: 8 -9 **"Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered; and being made perfect
he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,
Acts 4: 10-12 “be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well. This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, but which has become the head of the corner. *** And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” ***
**Matt. 3:13-17 **Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfil all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus [God the Son] was baptized, he went up imediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, [God the Holy SPirit] and alighting on him; and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, “This is my beloved Son, [God the Father] with whom I am well pleased.”
As to what we were “saved from”
Salvation is a PROCESS NOT AN ACCOMPLISHED FACT [AS IN COMPLETED FOR THOSE WHO SIMPLY PROFESS BELIEF]
What Jesus
accomplished by HIS Life, Death, and Ressurection is humanities “REDEEMPTION” [which is seperate from “Salvation.”]
**Rom.3: 1.24 **"they [WE] are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
**1Cor.1:30 **He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption;
**Eph.1:7 **"In him we have redemption through his blood,[LIFE, DEATH AND RESSURECTION] the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
SEE: 1 Jn.1:8-10; 1 Jn.5:16-17 and John 20: 20-23
[Jesus Himself saying it is so!]
Col.1:14 "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. [AS A POSIBILITY…SEE ABOVE]
Heb.9: 12 "he [JESUS] entered once for all into the Holy Place,[Catholic Tabernacal] taking not the blood of goats and calves but his own blood, **thus securing an eternal redemption. **
Were Salvation a done deal based on Faith Alone [OSAS] none of the following could appear in the Bible. BUR IT’S THERE!
Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”
Matt.5: 19 “Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “ Matt.19: 17 “And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. ***If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” ***
NONE of these permit a personal thelogy of OSAS which did not even exist for the first 1600 years of Christianity! It’s a modern day HOAX!
Further the JOHN verses given above also disprove this errant theology. NO ONE BIBLE VERSE CAN CONTRADICT ANOTHER, and yet 2 Tim. 3:16-17 is ignored with seeming impunity. FINAL JUDGEMENT IS COMMING and God must be JUST!
2Tim.3 Verses 16 to 17:
*** “All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching,*** for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.”
Sacred Scripture AND as well as the Life, Death, Ressurection tell the same thing!
Predestination denies who and what God by Divine unchangeable Nature are.
This term is to understood as KNOWING BEFORE HAND; [which only God can do] and has nouthing to do with effecting the decisions that we FREELY make.[READ Isa. 43: v.7 and v. 21].
God in an absolute sense could not give to humanity alone: The free Spiritual Gifts
see Gen.1 26-27] of a mind, and a intellect and a freewill; given to us precisely so that WE COULD AND WOULD DECIDE FOR OURSELVES OUR ETERNAL PLACE OF “REST”… HEAVEN OR HELL. WE DECIDE NOT GOD, WHO ONLY AFFIRMS OUR DECISION.
Hope you find this helpful…it’s all Biblically supported.
Love and prayers,
Pat
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