Who says one organization today is "The True Church"

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Godblessed said:
I am new to this site but I’m glad that I found it. Over the past few months God has opened my eyes to so many things as I have opened my heart to accept him as a true Catholic. The more I read the scriptures and study my faith the more I am proud to profess it. I have had the opportunity to attend my gf’s church which is protestant/pentecostal, on many occassions. I respect her faith and others like her, they are good Christians too but I believe the Catholic Church has sound doctrine. I support and respect my faith because the teachers are infallible and true, not the made up theologys of some pastor with a certificate in theology. I don’'t just accept anything that people say whether they profess to be men or women of God. I search the scriptures. Many protestant churches have a form of godliness but they deny his authority. Having attended many Pentecostal services my heart is always troubled. People worshipping the pastor, sucking up every word they say without searching the scriptures, exalting the holy spirit as he it was not apart of the trinity but a manifestation of their own conjuration and the list goes on. Like Father Damen said more than a century ago, when God says something, he wants it to be believed. Sound doctrine is what separates the Catholic Church my friends. While others wrestle with the scriptures, the Catholic Church teaches the truth.
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Glad to have you around, and nicely said imo. 🙂
 
tweetymom said:
Thank you for your opinion. It is exactly mine. I do have a favorite among the three.
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onenow1:
Below is opinion held by St. Paul :
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“I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.”
1Corinthians 1:10
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onenow1:
Here two more on the same theme, also ignored by so many:
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Philippians 2:1-2.

“So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any incentive of love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.”

Philiooians 1: 27
Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you stand firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel
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onenow1:
I see one church in the above, and the verses below. Yes / No
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John 10:16
“And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

John 14:16-17.
“And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.”

Acts 20:28.
Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them
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onenow1:
Martin rings a bell here and some before, such as Arius.
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.1Corinthians 11:18-19
“For, in the first place, when you assemble as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you; and I partly believe it, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.”
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onenow1:
Could this be the baptised that hold differnt opinions which include some Protesrants?
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“Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart… When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name.”
Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D… home.inreach.com/bstanley/
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God Bless
onenow1 🍿
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
These issues are settled in the Church.

I believe that the fullness of Truth is available in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

My point is that protestantism cannot contain the fullness of Truth because there are so many conflicting doctrines on very crucial points.
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The issues are settled in your Christian organization. However they are not issues in which all Christian organizations agree on.

I would never claim that “Protestantism” (whatever that is) contains the fullness of Truth.
 
The true Church is the Cathloic Church and
  • The Orthodox organization is “The True Church”. can you tell us why do you think some other Church is the true Church
    You may omit Mormonism and the JW
 
AmateurPianist said:
The issues are settled in your Christian organization. However they are not issues in which all Christian organizations agree on.

I would never claim that “Protestantism” (whatever that is) contains the fullness of Truth.
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The issues are settled and they have been settled for nearly 2000 years.

The Church is not just a Christian organization, it is the body of Christ.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
The issues are settled and they have been settled for nearly 2000 years.

The Church is not just a Christian organization, it is the body of Christ.
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And the church does appear to be distributed across many unique organizations, proclaiming contradictory doctrine amongst them.

If you ignore the restorationalist sects, there is quite a bit of doctrine that is common. These I would be considered settled issues amongst all organizations… There are other points of doctrine that these unique organizations disagree upon. These obviously are the issues that are not settled amongst all of the organizations.

I know that you are claiming to speak for God in claiming that your organization is uniquely the church of Jesus Christ and is uniquely the body of Christ. The problem is that I can easily find other folks claiming to speak for God who are making contrary claims.

So then the issue is why should I believe anybody above anybody else.
 
When you look at the references to the Church in the Bible you will see that the word used is singular and not plural. We know that Christ speaks of His Church, His Bride, the Church as the pillar of truth. In all of these instances it is a singular Church. We also know that there were separate congregations, Revelation makes this clear. How are we to interpret this? Are these separate Churches or merely different congregations that are all part of the larger organization, the Church?

It is clear that Christ established ONE Church. He did not establish a bunch of denominations that all believe different things. The word ekklesia, is singular and not plural. So, we look at history and determine what Church existed during the apostolic times and immediately thereafter. Is that Church still in existence? If so, it is safe to say that is the Church that Christ founded.
 
Based on the responses I am getting, I think it is obvious that I must not be expressing myself all that clearly because at this point I sense we are just talking past each other. Any responses I make now are reiterations of points I have made before.

Anyway, I am gone tomorrow skiing.
 
Since the earliest days of Christianity, the Catholic Church has always maintained - ALWAYS - that it is the one true Church founded by Christ, for the salvation of the world. PERIOD. Just go read ACTS.
 
peary1 said:
And what consistutes ‘wrong’?

Do you use artificial birth control? Are you divorced?
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I’m too old for it to matter.

My wife has somehow put up with me thus far.

And I am getting tired of arguing over the internet. I think God is trying to speak to me that this is sort of a waste of time.
 
AmateurPianist said:
Based on the responses I am getting, I think it is obvious that I must not be expressing myself all that clearly because at this point I sense we are just talking past each other. Any responses I make now are reiterations of points I have made before.

Anyway, I am gone tomorrow skiing.
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Have fun and Be careful. God Bless
 
AmateurPianist said:
I hope the title is fairly self-explanatory.
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The question is Who says there is “The True Church”?
The answer is Jesus.
He said He would found His Church. Any other than the one He founded is not His Church.

Jesus said it, I believe it, end of argument.
 
Ignatius said:
The question is Who says there is “The True Church”?
The answer is Jesus.
He said He would found His Church. Any other than the one He founded is not His Church.

Jesus said it, I believe it, end of argument.
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Jesus said there is only one true church.

Jesus did not say that one and only one organization at all times must be this one true church.
 
AmateurPianist said:
Jesus said there is only one true church.

Jesus did not say that one and only one organization at all times must be this one true church.
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God has commanded us to believe the TEACHING CHURCH; and we are taught by St. Peter, in his epistle,{2Peter3,} that there is no private prophecy or interpretation of the Scriptures, for the unlearned and unstable twist the very Scriptures, to their own damnation." That is strong language, but that is the language of St. Peter.

Conclusion : We must find the true Church. Yes/no ?

God Bless
onenow1:)
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
The Church has one doctrine.
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Yes, your denomination currently has a corpus of doctrines.

Every denomination does.

So what?
I don’t claim to speak for God.
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Your denomination does.
I do claim that Jesus started a Church, that he is protecting and preserving this Church, and that the fullness of Truth exist only in this Church.
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Yes, but that has nothing to do with any denomination or organization being “The True Church.” Even if it alone claims that it alone is.

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AmericanJosiah said:
Yes, but that has nothing to do with any denomination or organization being “The True Church.” Even if it alone claims that it alone is.

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Of course it does.

The Catholic Church alone can trace its origin to Jesus.

Jesus will not abandon his Church.

You are free to reject his Church, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
 
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