Who Should Be The Criminal?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Starwynd
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Drilling4Truth said:
Slavery was once legal, defended by the Supreme Court itself.

But, I will grant you this, abortion may never become illegal. Which is fine. We can legislate it out of existence without the courts. Which is why I vote Pro-Life, and so does Norma McCorvey, aka “Roe”.
Click to expand...
True. But as for now, the act is legal, I should say.
 
Kat876 said:
Neither shall be considered a criminal, as the act is legal.
Click to expand...
Then all the Germans running the concentration camps should not have been considered criminals, as what they were doing was legal too.

Is that your premise?
 
The mother is an accessory before the fact. The doctor is a hired killer, a hit man. Everyone who tells her to get an abortion or brings her to the meet-up to get the job done is an accessory before the fact just as she is. Everyone who urges the doctor to go into that field of business is an accessory before the fact as well. So are the designers, advertisers and sellers of the equipment insofar as it is purpose-specific equipment.
I await every abortive society’s eventual Nuremburg verdict, but it may be after I’m long gone.😦
 
survive said:
The mother is an accessory before the fact. The doctor is a hired killer, a hit man. Everyone who tells her to get an abortion or brings her to the meet-up to get the job done is an accessory before the fact just as she is. Everyone who urges the doctor to go into that field of business is an accessory before the fact as well. So are the designers, advertisers and sellers of the equipment insofar as it is purpose-specific equipment.
I await every abortive society’s eventual Nuremburg verdict, but it may be after I’m long gone.😦
Click to expand...
Is the doctor’s mother an accessory for having given birth to him or her? Is the pregnant woman’s father an accessory for being a sperm donor which resulted in her conception? Is a coworker an accessory for having had a brief conversation with the pregnant woman regarding what that woman plans to do?

Let’s point fingers,** survive**. Let’s look in every mirror and every window and every reflection of ourselves we ever encounter and let’s you and I point fingers. We are the ones who chose this destiny. We are ultimately responsible for every single ripple effect that has come at us, and others, as a result of our actions. We were taught as children the meaning of the word “no” and yet we proceeded. We will die alone and we will face God alone. I don’t intend to try to make anyone else a scapegoat for my own actions when faced with God’s judgment: not the doctors or staff, not the law, not the politicians, not my significant other at that time, not my boss, not my religion, not the manufacturers of the vacuum aspirators or curettage
instruments, not the pharmaceutical companies who produce mifepristone or methotrexate.

We did this. ** survive** and marietta had the last word. Nobody else.

marietta
 
JustWar said:
Look at it this way. If a man hires someone to kill his wife, who is the real murderer? The man getting paid to do a ‘job’ or the man who ordered the murder but didn’t actually pull the trigger? If you say the man that pulled the trigger is the murderer than why do we hate Hitler so much or Stalin? They never pulled the trigger yet ordered millions to death. Also our own soldiers that are just doing their ‘jobs’ by dropping bombs and shooting other people. We don’t hold them accountable as murderers when they get back from combat because we know they were just following orders. I say it is the women who is the true murderer here, a thousand times more so than the ‘doctor’ just getting money for doing a job. Until the Catholic church recognizes that its own female members kill 30% or 300,000 abortions a year, nothing will change.
Click to expand...
You are just so wrong here…there were several nazis soldiers that were prosecuted for their heinous acts and said they were “just following orders”…in the case of hiring the hitman…both are guilty-you know that. All who partake in abortion are guilty…even by being silent in the midst of this… we are also culpable. “Those who deafen their ears to the cries of the helpless, will one day cry for help themselves and not be heard.”
 
Lainey63:

I’m interested to know what you are personally doing to counteract the silence now that the elections are over.

marietta
 
Starwynd:

Both if not forced or non-medical:

The woman by desire initially, and in failing to become the first line of defense for this helpless being.

The doctor for taking a life.

How can one face such a charge at the last judgment?

God presents to the judged a panorama of the life of the child He desired for his servant. He shows the lives of those changed for the better by this later adult. He shows the child’s offspring and the good works God had planned for them. This small seed could have spread into a field of goodness.

Then it all becomes clear, has clear as it was when receiving the original instructions, but now it is too late.

It is obvious that we shouldn’t even “go there”. Scientific knowledge is a gift from God not to be abused. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should.

Andy
 
Brendan said:
Then all the Germans running the concentration camps should not have been considered criminals, as what they were doing was legal too.

Is that your premise?
Click to expand...
No, that is not comparable. Because we as a democracy have decided what we want. You are suggesting Germany was a democracy?
 
Kat876 said:
No, that is not comparable. Because we as a democracy have decided what we want. You are suggesting Germany was a democracy?
Click to expand...
Hitler was democratically elected to power. And democracies are not incapable of making horrendous mistakes. Slavery was legal for generations, segregation was upheld by every local, state and federal government in the United States.

Morality is not decided by popular vote. Besides, we don’t even get to elect them Supreme Court justices. Nor can we have the removed from office. The Court, God save it, has been wrong before. And it is wrong now.
 
marietta said:
Is the doctor’s mother an accessory for having given birth to him or her? Is the pregnant woman’s father an accessory for being a sperm donor which resulted in her conception? Is a coworker an accessory for having had a brief conversation with the pregnant woman regarding what that woman plans to do?

Let’s point fingers,** survive**. Let’s look in every mirror and every window and every reflection of ourselves we ever encounter and let’s you and I point fingers. We are the ones who chose this destiny. We are ultimately responsible for every single ripple effect that has come at us, and others, as a result of our actions. We were taught as children the meaning of the word “no” and yet we proceeded. We will die alone and we will face God alone. I don’t intend to try to make anyone else a scapegoat for my own actions when faced with God’s judgment: not the doctors or staff, not the law, not the politicians, not my significant other at that time, not my boss, not my religion, not the manufacturers of the vacuum aspirators or curettage
instruments, not the pharmaceutical companies who produce mifepristone or methotrexate.

We did this. ** survive** and marietta had the last word. Nobody else.

marietta
Click to expand...
If a gang boss tells his underling to tell a hit man who to hit next, or else, there is a chain of command there. It’s the boss’s choice more than anyone else’s. Sure, the underling can refuse to deliver the order, but it’s the fault of those whose idea it was at least as much as the other links in the chain.
 
marietta said:
Lainey63:

I’m interested to know what you are personally doing to counteract the silence now that the elections are over.

marietta
Click to expand...
It has been my experience that usually the people who have remarked as you did are staunch proponents of abortion…:cool:
 
survive:

I’m not talking about a gang boss and an underling. I’m talking about you and me. We are the ones with these experiences. We are the ones who made the decisions and followed through to terminate our pregnancies.

So what are you saying? That someone held a gun to your head to have sex, to conceive, to carry to 12 weeks and to abort? That’s a long time for a gunslinger to go without so much as a nap.

marietta
 
Lainey63 said:
It has been my experience that usually the people who have remarked as you did are staunch proponents of abortion…:cool:
Click to expand...
It is my experience that usually the people who have remarked as you did are sitting in their recliners and taking everyone else’s moral inventories while skirting the issue at hand and refusing to offer a scrap of information to answer the question. :tsktsk:

I am not a staunch proponent of abortion. I do, however, support women in their legal and moral right to choose a course of action, whether carrying to term, carrying and adopting out, or aborting an unexpected or crisis pregnancy. And no, I do not and will not concede that “choice” and “abortion” are synonymous.

Et tu?

marietta
 
marietta said:
It is my experience that usually the people who have remarked as you did are sitting in their recliners and taking everyone else’s moral inventories while skirting the issue at hand and refusing to offer a scrap of information to answer the question. :tsktsk:

I am not a staunch proponent of abortion. I do, however, support women in their legal and moral right to choose a course of action, whether carrying to term, carrying and adopting out, or aborting an unexpected or crisis pregnancy.
Click to expand...
Regardless of whether or not an abortion is legal, or relatively painless for the mother, the child still experiences horrifying pain and fear throughout the procedure - she doesn’t get an anesthetic.
 
The heck?

How can a fetus experience horrifying pain when there’s no nervous system developed at all?

:confused:
 
jmcrae said:
Regardless of whether or not an abortion is legal, or relatively painless for the mother, the child still experiences horrifying pain and fear throughout the procedure - she doesn’t get an anesthetic.
Click to expand...
At the abortion facilities with which I am familiar, women who contract for procedures are given drugs such as oral ibuprofen in conjunction with Phenergan, and are also given Atropine, Valium, Lidocaine, and Versed before the procedures, and nitrous oxide during their procedures. Some drugs cross the placenta and provide the embryo or fetus (not baby) sedation. Fentanyl rapidly crosses the placenta; Versed (Midazolam), a short-acting benzodiazepine, also crosses the placenta. Even nitrous crosses the placenta. In pregnancies of more than 20 weeks’ gestation the mother will be given options to anesthetize or euthanize the fetus through the abdominal wall before removal from the uterus.

One other note: the consensus in the medical community is that a fetus of less than 20 weeks is incapable of feeling pain and moves in response to stimuli only as a rudimentary reflex.

I’m not saying any of this is moral or pleasing to God or offers anyone relief from pain, guilt or sorrow. I just want to set the record straight: the fetus generally experiences some degree of anesthesia before abortion.

marietta
 
Starwynd said:
In the case of an abortion, who should be considered the criminal?

The doctor or the woman?

And should the woman go to a friend to help her pay or obtain an abortion, should that friend be held criminally liable as well?
Click to expand...
Laws are made for the lawless.

They all are criminal in the eyes of God. How culpable is up to Him. But if civil laws are to be established they should all pay a price for murder.

Doctor 50 to life
Woman 20 to life
Friend 10 to life

My opinion. I pulled it out of thin air.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top