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neat62
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You are on my ignore list. But I don’t actually have you on ignore because I want to see what you say. I just refuse to respond. I am replying now, to announce this officially.
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marietta
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Gamera
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Plenty of abortions occur after the nervous system has developed. Not that it matters — homicide is homicide, regardless of whether the victim feels it.The heck?
How can a fetus experience horrifying pain when there’s no nervous system developed at all?
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jmcrae
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The nervous system is the first thing to develop - that “string” you see under the microscope when the child is at three days of gestation, is the spine and brain stem - that is to say, the nervous system.The heck?
How can a fetus experience horrifying pain when there’s no nervous system developed at all?
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Starwynd
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So if they have no brain to process the information, how can it be painful?
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Lainey63
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I wonder do rapists who drug up their victims so they cannot move or process what is happening to them use the same line of reasoning? It’s ok they don’t even know what’s happening to them, they may not remember and they definitely are feeling no pain…So if they have no brain to process the information, how can it be painful?
Taking a life is still taking a life…biology 101 life begins at the moment of conception…
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crowonsnow
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Criminality is not the issue, not the hard issue anyway. The issue is punishment, and precisely what anti abortionists propose as punishment to mothers and doctors and other abortion providers. If it’s murder one, you don’t give out speeding tickets.
This has been the issue in discussions of this subject, the punishment deserved and the enforcement thereof.
Someone once told me that a doctor performing an abortion should be given two chances. After he performs his second abortion he is stripped of his license to practice medicine. I’ve always maintained that’s hypocritical if abortion is murder one, as we certainly don’t do that with other convicted “murderers.”
So the real issue is punishment, not legal guilt. If you can’t agree how to punish abortion providers, there will never be effective laws preventing it.
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Drilling4Truth
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Again, the Pro-Life Movement, which is spearheaded by the Catholic Church, isn’t in the habit of advocating punishment for abortion provider or women who seek an abortion. In all of the Pro-Life activities I’ve been part of, and I’ve been to many, not once was the word punishment every used.
To be frank, we’ll likely not get Roe v. Wade overturned. But, we don’t really have to. Thanks to the efforts of groups like Silent No More, the negative effects and harsh reality of abortions are becoming more well known and legislatures are taking notice (those who aren’t recipients of campaign contributions from Planned Parenthood and NARAL, that is). What this will lead to is more strict legislation concerning the availability of abortion clinics. Couple this with an increase in funds and availability of homes and groups to help pregnant mothers who might be tempted to have an abortion, and you have a recipe for the elimination of the abortion industry.
The one thing that will bring down the culture of death in this country is not advocating legal punishment. It’s eliminating profits. Doctors don’t go into the abortion business for the esteem or the recognition. They do it for the easy money.
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marietta
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If the real issue is punishment and not legal guilt, then you must be speaking in spiritual terms. In that case, would not God be singularly capable of assessing each individual sin and assigning appropriate punishment? With regard to guilt and punishment, why don’t we just let Him do the heavy lifting so we can mind our own business?
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marietta
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An individual without brain formation is vastly different from a human being with a functioning brain that has been temporarily incapacitated. The person who has been drugged will eventually sober up and can try to fill in any blanks where pieces of an event are missing. A feetus which has no brain or an undeveloped brain, hence no sensation or memory, is in no danger of forgetting or feeling a surgical abortion.
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Lainey63
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They certainly don’t do for esteem or recognition…because other doctors do not have respect for doctors who perform abortions…One of the leading abortionists in RI had previously complained that other doctors & the hospitals treat him as a second class doctor. And God help the woman who wants to keep their baby & goes to one of these doctors with no knowledge he is an abortionist, I have a very good friend who almost lost her son because of one…she didn’t know until 13 years later, when I told her he was one of the top abortionists in RI…and he was only filling in for her dr who was out of town.
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Lainey63
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So that makes everything alright…
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Drilling4Truth
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This is the very argument used by eugenic advocates. Those with “undeveloped” brain activity don’t feel pain like “normal” people do. I advise great caution in this type of reasoning. It has resulted in the mistreatment and murder of countless millions and it reached it’s zenith in the mid 20th century under Hitler. The first victims of the Nazi Holocaust were not Jews, but the mentally handicapped and the unborn children of other such “undesirables”.
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crowonsnow
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Are you saying that having an abortion or performing an abortion should have no legal and/or punitive ramifications, that its legality really doesn’t matter?
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marietta
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Maybe you abortion foes can come up with arguments above and beyond the old Nazis and slave owners stuff.
This is not a question of “normal” vs. “abnormal”. It’s so easy for some folks to throw out anti-facts when jumping on the salvation bandwagon. My only aim here is to try to bring a little reality to the drama and emotion masquerading as “medical claims”.
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Drilling4Truth
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While I don’t know what an “anti-fact” is, it doesn’t really matter. Whatever reality you advocate, you must understand that the Catholic Church’s stance on abortion is non-negotiable. Oh sure, you’ll have those weak in knowledge and faith try to say otherwise, especially during an election year. But, the bottom line is that the taking of a human life is a grave issue and in the case of abortion it’s not one we will compromise or make exceptions. You may not like the association of Nazi ideology in the abortion debate. Reality is that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, sympathized with Nazi ideology and her words and actions support this.
Reality often, as they say, bites.
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Drilling4Truth
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I’m saying that the primary purpose of the Pro-Life Movement is ending abortion once and for all. We’re a movement of hope and love, not one seeking revenge.
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Robertsxxx
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Yet you’re making it illegal. Something being illegal requires punishment or reinforcement to be upheld; otherwise if there is nothing done to you if you break the law, most people would continue doing it anyway.
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Drilling4Truth
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We don’t have to necessarily make abortion illegal to end it. Simply make it harder to get while simultaneously offering assistance and support for women and girls who would be tempted to seek out abortions would do much to curb this out of control industry of death.
The abortion industry has used the law and the courts to push their agenda all across the globe. Well, why not beat them at their own game using similar methods?
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neat62
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Life: the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
I imagine that for some, a living fetus being ripped to shreds by his/her mother and accomplice, against the will of nature, is not considered to be a valid argument, seeing as it goes against one’s personal opinions, emotions, and feelings. And when all rational explanations are rendered mute because one may attempt to present a historical comparrison, I guess we could ask this question:
Hw old would one’s aborted fetus be today had they not been ripped to pieces?
I imagine that for some, a living fetus being ripped to shreds by his/her mother and accomplice, against the will of nature, is not considered to be a valid argument, seeing as it goes against one’s personal opinions, emotions, and feelings. And when all rational explanations are rendered mute because one may attempt to present a historical comparrison, I guess we could ask this question:
Hw old would one’s aborted fetus be today had they not been ripped to pieces?
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