Who should we blame?

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Regarding the recent Annapolis, Md. Shootings, the inevitable question will arise – how could this happen, why and who is to blame? The anti-Second Amendment liberals will scream for more gun control, but that will not solve the problem.

The problem, in general, is our God-less society and its lack of moral values. In his book, “The Roots of Violence”, Fr. Vincent Miceli, predicted all of this. He said that the tap-root of violence is a God-less society.

How did we get this way? Well, we can start by blaming the Supreme Court which took prayer out of the schools over 50 years ago, which struck down all the laws supporting moral values, and who gave us the infamous Roe v. Wade decision.

We can blame all the atheist groups who want to take God out of society – the ACLU, the Freedom from Religion Foundation, all the “Right to Die” groups, etc. A hearty “well done” to all of them – they have done a great job. Satan is most pleased.

And let us not forget those who promote the “Culture of Death”, such as the Democratic Party which supports all the moral evils condemned by the Bible, especially abortion. Let us not forget the entire abortion industry, especially Planned Parenthood and their efforts to champion a woman’s so called “right” to kill her unborn child. But some will say that abortion is “Legal” so it is OK, right – wrong. Just because a certain action is legal, doesn’t make it right. I would point out that from 1933-1945, in Nazi Germany, it was “Legal” to kill Jews. Ask a Jewish person if the Holocaust was OK, because it was legal.

So the result of all of the above, is that we have created a culture that has no respect for human life. If we can kill the child in the womb, why can’t we kill it after it is born (such as partial-birth abortion), or when it is a week old (child euthanasia - Belgium 2002), or a year old, or 20 or 30 years or more old? What is the difference?

And then there is one more person we can perhaps blame, and to know who that person is, all we need do is look in the mirror, and ask ourselves how our lifestyle has affected this problem. We have become a materialistic, me-first, morally bankrupt society, interested in our own personal pleasures.

So let us not ask who is to blame, until we ask ourselves what is our attitude toward this problem. Are we working for the Culture of Life, or are we working for the Culture of Death; or are we just indifferent to it all? If we are Catholic, are we living a life of grace, or are we one of those 70% who, as the poles tells us, no longer attend Mass on Sunday?

Until we put God back into society, things will only get worse.
 
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Ok.

We can blame you.

What will you do about it? Paint the world as an ugly, evil place that deserves to be shot up? Will that help?

How about showing the world as a broken place, not condemned but hurting? We need to help the journalists who try to help us know the truth about what goes on around us. We need to help children to learn about gratitude and respect, instead of intimidation and destruction.
 
DeniseNY said:
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^^ This.

The Maryland shootings happened because an angry man, who very possibly may have a mental illness, had a grudge. It’s a tale as old as time and has nothing to do with anything else going on in society, except possibly that law enforcement needs some better way to respond to someone who makes violent threats than just waiting for them to actually carry out their plan.

It’s bordering on laughable that you think we need to look in the mirror and see how we are responsible for this guy’s actions. We’re not.
 
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The point I am making, is that if we had a more God centered society, the shooter may have had a better understanding of right and wrong, and would know that actions based on a grudge would be wrong. The mental health idea is just speculation at this point.
 
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Even if I accept your point (although from the man’s past behavior of being isolated and harassing a woman and being inordinately angry at a newspaper, I tend to think he is not mentally all there), you are making it on a forum full of people who are for the most part knocking themselves out daily to be better Catholics and make the world more "God-centered’ in the best way they know how. You are preaching to the choir and telling us we should blame ourselves.

Why you would post something like that here, I have no idea.
 
zeland said:
Well, we can start by blaming the Supreme Court which took prayer out of the schools over 50 years ago,
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Quite a number of accusations here, so, lets begin with this one. This is often made by a certain sector of Evangelical Protestantism.

On June 25, 1962, the United States Supreme Court decided in Engel v. Vitale that a prayer approved by the New York Board of Regents for use in schools violated the First Amendment because it represented establishment of religion.

What this means is that your local school board, school principal, school teacher, cannot mandate that a specific prayer be required.

Your child, my child, is free to pray at school. They cannot stand up and disrupt the class, but, they can make the SOTC and pray before a test, before their meal, they may say the Rosary when walking between classes.

Public schools have Fellowship of Christian Athelets events and Meet Me At the Flagpole prayer events and the Gideons come on campus to hand out little King James New Testaments (complete with the Sinner’s Prayer inscribed inside!).

My Catholic child worked hard to get Catholicism to have as much respect as Evangelicalism does in the public schools (the anti-Catholic “Left Behind” books are part of the Accelerated Reader program!)

I do not want my child forced into non-Catholic prayer in school.
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The ACLU of West Virginia (2018) ensured that the city of Wheeling continued to allow a Catholic woman to offer her home for hospitality and fellowship to those in need.

The ACLU and ACLU of Southern California (2018) vindicated the rights of an ordained Baptist minister whose parole officers prohibited him from attending church.

The ACLU and ACLU of Minnesota (2017) joined a friend-of-the-court brief supporting a Seventh-day Adventist whose employer revoked her job offer after she asked for a religious accommodation.

The ACLU and ACLU of Georgia (2017) advocated for the rights of a Christian woman who was forced to remove her religiously motivated head covering when she visited her brother in prison. An officer told her that only Jews and Muslims would be allowed to enter with a head covering worn for religious reasons.

The ACLU of New Hampshire (2015) filed suit on behalf of a prisoner’s mother and three-year-old son against a prison policy that prohibits Christmas cards, prayer cards, and drawings sent through the mail.

The ACLU of Hawai’i (2015) secured the rights of a pastor and his wife to hand out religious literature on a public sidewalk.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2015) interceded on behalf of a Christian inmate seeking to have a communal prayer during the Christmas holiday.

The ACLU of Virginia (2015) defended students’ right to wear rosary beads in a public high school.

The ACLU of Michigan (2015) backed Christian evangelists’ right to protest at a street festival.


The problem in this world is that we, Catholics, have failed to love, we have failed in good works.
 
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I posted it here so the some people might take the ideas and post them other places where the liberals might see. I know that posting here is like preaching to the choir.
 
Your post isn’t really an “in the News” topic so I’ve moved it to Social Justice. “In the News” is for discussions about a news story. Your post is only very tenuously related if at all to the Maryland shootings.

I doubt that reposting a lot of the same old conservative harping all over the Internet is going to get anyone’s attention beyond the conservatives that already post that stuff everywhere all day long. Good luck with that.
 
In the US, the constitution does not permit the people to vote on a referendum, like the people in the UK did when they voted in favor of Brexit. Instead, we are captive to the NRA lobby (does anybody doubt this?), for example, that prevents Congress from taking any action on gun control and/or rampant violence. OK, so today’s attack at a child’s birthday party was perpetrated with a knife. The point is still the same.

We are also captive to an activist Supreme Court which rules on things like same sex marriage, without representation of the people. This is a big flaw in the constitution that the people can act only indirectly through and at the whim of elected officials.

What’s worst of all, we don’t have a moderate political party anymore, we can choose only between the extremes of socialists and socialist democrats on the one hand, and the trickle-down capitalist party of the very wealthy.

We are also strangled by the lavender network of gay priests and bishops who have allowed the Church to become uncatechised, so either the laity leave the church or are subordinated to praying their rosaries in dark corners, instead of voting as a political force to be reckoned with on matters of national and religious importance.

Blame us.
 
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I don’t know what the solution is, but looking back through history, even when Catholicism was literally law and prayer, God, etc etc supposedly infused every aspect of life, there has been horrible violence, tragedy, war, hatred, etc etc.

People do their messed up human stuff no matter what, and I wish it was as easy as teaching a faith and having us start our days with prayer. I find prayer efficacious in my life, but I know a good many people who spout “God” all the time and talk about how much they pray that still seem full of hatred and ready for violence at the drop of a hat (or getting cut off in traffic).
 
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Even if I accept your point (although from the man’s past behavior of being isolated and harassing a woman and being inordinately angry at a newspaper, I tend to think he is not mentally all there), you are making it on a forum full of people who are for the most part knocking themselves out daily to be better Catholics and make the world more "God-centered’ in the best way they know how. You are preaching to the choir and telling us we should blame ourselves.

Why you would post something like that here, I have no idea.
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⭐ Post of the day for me.
 
zeland said:
I posted it here so the some people might take the ideas and post them other places where the liberals might see. I know that posting here is like preaching to the choir.
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I would offer that many people on this site are here to learn, not to get things to post on social media elsewhere. Why don’t you go post it somewhere yourself if you enjoy that sort of thing?
 
zeland said:
I posted it here so the some people might take the ideas and post them other places where the liberals might see.
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Ah, that monolithic group, “the liberals.”
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Weird that the thread title asks a question when you seem pretty sure of the answer already.
 
When God is kicked out, someone else is waiting.

Why is our culture filled with murderers?

Can anyone answer that?

Was it abuse of the first amendment, in which every form of evil is broadcast and inculcated into our children - making violence both normal and acceptable - from a very young age? Media violence has invaded our homes, our minds, our psyches.

Rather, let us regulate the amendments in order. First amendment first.

How does that sit?
 
well, you’ve already received some great comments, si I am going to mention one thing only.

I am not American, so as an outsider looking in, and from a country that has very strict gun laws, yeah, you guys do have a seriously big problem with the guns in the United states.

as for who to blame in general, well humans commit sins, they always have, since we have free will.

yes, certainly some shooters may have mental issues, i.e. they were bullied so severelyand it’s true that they committed the crime, but the bullies aren’t exactly innocent either if they purposely make someone’s life unbearable, in other cases, it’s simply a crime committed in cold blood with full knowledge
 
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