I am doing my best to learn about this so, I’m sorry for my ignorance. I was raised in a very sheltered protestant Church all my life and have no idea what I’m talking about when it comes to Orthodox, Eastern and all this.If you really want to attend a Church which Paul founded, go to Greece and attend one of the many he directly started. They are in communion with the rest of the Orthodox Church. You will not be led astray, but you will be led to the fullness of Truth.
However, you do not need to travel that far. Surely you have an Orthodox Church closer to you, although it may have been founded by one of the other of Christ’s Apostles: St. Mark founded the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria - you can find some of their missionary Churches here in the U.S., St. Thomas founded the Orthodox Church in India - you can find some of their missionary Churches here in the U.S., St. Andrew founded the Greek Orthodox Church in Constantinople (known at the time by the name Byzantium) which is all over the U.S. St. James established the Church in Jeruselem and they have missionary Churches here in the U.S. Just go to: scoba.us/directory.html to find the nearest Church to you.
Or, move just move to Greece.
HiBut what about Paul? In a way I think Paul really made Christianity what it is today. He was the one who declared all Gentiles were part of the kingdom of Israel, descendants of Abraham, just as the Jews were. He was the one who denounced the Jewish laws (such as circumcism and dietary restrictions), and told all people that they could be saved only by grace and the crucifixion of Jesus.
What do you think, both Catholics and non-Catholics? Who was most important, Peter or Paul?
This is a question proceeding from the flesh. this is the same question the Apostles argued among themselves. Remember how Jesus responded?Catholics always say that Peter was the first pope, the rock, the key holder of the Catholic Church. But what about Paul? In a way I think Paul really made Christianity what it is today. He was the one who declared all Gentiles were part of the kingdom of Israel, descendants of Abraham, just as the Jews were. He was the one who denounced the Jewish laws (such as circumcism and dietary restrictions), and told all people that they could be saved only by grace and the crucifixion of Jesus.
What do you think, both Catholics and non-Catholics? Who was most important, Peter or Paul?
Paul never taught that .I agree that Peter had been given authority by Jesus, and Peter was the one who had the vision of the sheet descending with all the unclean animals in it.
I think Peter was more traditional than Paul. He still believed in a lot of the Jewish practices and laws, while Paul said the law was no longer important, because of Jesus Christ.
Which disciples did he take?Hi
I agree with you that the present Catholicism is invented by the deviant Paul at Rome.
Jesus was on his way from Galilee towards India; escaping death on Cross, then Paul seized the oppurtunity and made Jesus’ teacings topsy turvy, in my opinion. Perhaps this was a clever way to avenge his animosity towards Jesus and Mary.
On his journey toward India, Jesus took along Mary and only his trusted disciples; he left Peter and Paul etc behind. They were not, in my opinion, his trusted followers.
I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna
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Here is the quick guide. If the Church has Orthodox in its name, it is probably not in union with Rome, such as Eastern Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox. If a Church calles itself Eastern Rite, it probably is in union with Rome. There are nearly two dozen Eastern Rite Churches in union with Rome. Depending on where you grew up, sheltered Protestant or not, you may not have encountered many of either group.I am doing my best to learn about this so, I’m sorry for my ignorance. I was raised in a very sheltered protestant Church all my life and have no idea what I’m talking about when it comes to Orthodox, Eastern and all this.
Is Greek Orthodox not in communion with the Catholic Church of Rome?
From what I gather here, it sounds like there is some kind of disagreement on who the first actually was.
I am a Protestant - and you are wrong.Catholics always say that Peter was the first pope, the rock, the key holder of the Catholic Church. But what about Paul? In a way I think Paul really made Christianity what it is today. He was the one who declared all Gentiles were part of the kingdom of Israel, descendants of Abraham, just as the Jews were. He was the one who denounced the Jewish laws (such as circumcism and dietary restrictions), and told all people that they could be saved only by grace and the crucifixion of Jesus.
What do you think, both Catholics and non-Catholics? Who was most important, Peter or Paul?
Well… most protestants… and pretty much everyone in history… would disagree with you there.Peter was no pope - but he was one heck of an apostle.
I prefer Peter. Besides, Peter is the Rock (Kephas) upon whom Christ built His Church upon earth. Paul was not one of the original 12; however, God used him to preach the Word and organize Christian communities throughout the Mediterranean area. Yes, Paul had a great influence on the understanding of our Faith. But he clarified as much as he muddled in his own writings.Catholics always say that Peter was the first pope, the rock, the key holder of the Catholic Church. But what about Paul? In a way I think Paul really made Christianity what it is today. He was the one who declared all Gentiles were part of the kingdom of Israel, descendants of Abraham, just as the Jews were. He was the one who denounced the Jewish laws (such as circumcism and dietary restrictions), and told all people that they could be saved only by grace and the crucifixion of Jesus.
What do you think, both Catholics and non-Catholics? Who was most important, Peter or Paul?
I am also a protestant. Men are equal before God, but they are given authority on earth and that includes authority in the Church. We should consider men with authority unequal to men without authority, and thank Jesus Christ for wisely establishing the order that He did.I am a Protestant - and you are wrong.
Christ started the Christian Church - and although the apostle Paul was instrumental in bringing the gospel to the Gentiles - it was Peter who first preached to the Gentiles and it was Peter who first received the revelation that the dietary laws and the mosaic economy had been fulfilled by Christ - (Acts 10).
Peter was no pope - but he was one heck of an apostle.
Of course the Bible demonstrates that Paul was in every way possible equal to Peter - in influence and authority.
Keep your eyes on Jesus - and do not fall into the foolishness of exalting men; one over another . . . this is not of God.
**Gabriel of 12;I am a Protestant - and you are wrong.
Christ started the Christian Church - and although the apostle Paul was instrumental in bringing the gospel to the Gentiles - it was Peter who first preached to the Gentiles and it was Peter who first received the revelation that the dietary laws and the mosaic economy had been fulfilled by Christ - (Acts 10).
Peter was no pope - but he was one heck of an apostle.
**Gabriel of 12
I wont argue with your view but scripture clearly states Jesus founded and built his church upon Peter:
Jesus built his church upon Peter: Here are the scriptures that confirm this: While Jesus walked the earth prior to his passion;**
Mathew 16:17
Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
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**And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. **19
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Jesus again speaks from his resurrected state:
John 21:15
8 9 10 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you**.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” **16
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” **
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He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep. **
CRUCIFIED:
Keep your eyes on Jesus - and do not fall into the foolishness of exalting men; one over another . . . this is not of God.
Christ/Krishna **Second Coming **1835-1908 mentions in his famous book: Jesus in India:Which disciples*/companions *did he take?
Why do you say that?If protestants really did listen to St.Pauls teachings, then they would oblige to Peter’s authority as Paul did, along with Peter’s succession of authority, Pope Benedict.
If it is a simple matter of history - then why all the differing opinoins among the early church fathers?Well… most protestants… and pretty much everyone in history… would disagree with you there.
They may argue about the role of the Pope, but they’re not denying that Peter was the first one.
To deny that is to basically look at the historical record which says the exact opposite of your assertion and say “nuh uh”.
I wonder why it does not NAME these disciples. I wonder why he did not take John, the one he loved and to whom he gave the care of his mother.Christ/Krishna **Second Coming **1835-1908 mentions in his famous book: Jesus in India:
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html
Evidence from Islamic books which contain
a mention of Jesus’ journey
In Rauzat-us-Safa, a well-known book of history, on pages 130 - 135, occurs, in the Persian language, an account, which, briefly translated, is as follows.
"Jesus (on whom be peace) was named the Messiah because he was a great traveller. He wore a woollen scarf on his head, and a woollen cloak on his body. He had a stick in his hand; he used to wander from country to country and from city to city. At nightfall he would stay where he was. He ate jungle vegetables, drank jungle water, and went on his travels on foot.
His companions, in one of his travels, once bought a horse for him; he rode the horse one day, but as he could not make any provision for the feeding of the horse, he returned it. Journeying from his country, he arrived at Nasibain, which was at a distance of several hundred miles from his home.
With him were a few of his **disciples **who he sent into the city to preach. In the city, however, there were current wrong and unfounded rumours about Jesus (on whom be peace) and his mother. The governor of the city, therefore, arrested the disciples and then summoned Jesus.
Jesus miraculously healed some persons and exhibited other miracles. The king of the territory of Nasibain, therefore, with all his armies and his people, became a follower of his. The legend of the ‘coming down of food’ contained in the Holy Quran belongs to the days of his travels."Unquote
alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html
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Jesus talked about the Jewish leaders not coming to him because they didn’t hear his voice they were not his sheep and not of his fold. The could not see the kingdom nor could they enter in because they weren’t first born spiritually. John 3: 10-21.If it is a simple matter of history - then why all the differing opinoins among the early church fathers?
By Mary, do you mean his mother, or do you mean Mary Magdalene?Hi
I agree with you that the present Catholicism is invented by the deviant Paul at Rome.
Jesus was on his way from Galilee towards India; escaping death on Cross, then Paul seized the oppurtunity and made Jesus’ teacings topsy turvy, in my opinion. Perhaps this was a clever way to avenge his animosity towards Jesus and Mary.
On his journey toward India, Jesus took along Mary and only his trusted disciples; he left Peter and Paul etc behind. They were not, in my opinion, his trusted followers.
I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna
Thanks