Who told the TRUTH- God ...or Satan?

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angelic06 said:
That is your definition of death, that the soul dies as well with the body, fine, state it plainly, rather than get into attacks. But is it biblical?
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We either DIE- or float off alive as your ‘immortal soul’.
Saying only the body was referred to is to ignore Jesus who said he was laying down his LIFE, not just that body.
 
Peter told Ananias that he lied to God, and he told Sapphira that both of them lied to the Holy Ghost. By that logic, the Holy Ghost is God.

As for Jesus, Scripture testifies to His identity as God. In Revelation, He is the only one who can open the scroll. In Hebrews it says of Him, “Let all the angels worship Him.”
 
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Agathon said:
Peter told Ananias that he lied to God, and he told Sapphira that both of them lied to the Holy Ghost. By that logic, the Holy Ghost is God.
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If you want to cal that “logic”.
God speaks thru his breath (spirit- unseen force).
The Direction God was giving them was being ignored- and they lied.
 
Agathon said:
Peter told Ananias that he lied to God, and he told Sapphira that both of them lied to the Holy Ghost. By that logic, the Holy Ghost is God.

As for Jesus, Scripture testifies to His identity as God. In Revelation, He is the only one who can open the scroll. In Hebrews it says of Him, “Let all the angels worship Him.”
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Amen.

“Let all the angels worship him”.

Hebrews 1:6, if anyone needs references.

And while we are at it, check out Hebrews 1:8:

“But of the Son, 'Your throne, O God, stands forever and ever…”

Then read what verse 9 says.
 
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There is only one God, so as I see it, the only way Hebrews 1:8 makes sense is if Jesus (the Son) is also God.
 
With the greatest respect to all who seek truth in their relationship with God:

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, then your church was founded by Charles Taze Russell, in 1872, and renamed in 1931 by Joseph Franklin Rutherford, his successor.

If you are a Roman Catholic, then your church was founded in the year 33 by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
  1. Jesus Christ founded His Church when He walked the Earth in the flesh, it was built by Jesus Christ himself (Matt 16:18) which means that the “true church” must be about 2000 years old.
  2. Jesus only built ONE church (Matt 16:18).
  3. Jesus handed His Authority to His Apostles (Mat 28:16-20), therefore His Church must be able to trace it’s chief pastors back in a line of succession to The Apostles.
  4. The Church which Jesus Christ founded was before the New Testament was written and it is the one to whom He revealed and who declared and decreed which books are to be contained in the New Testament. The first Authoritative declaration of The New Testament was by Pope Damasus I in A.D. 382.
In summary, with the greatest respect to Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Franklin Rutherford or any other human religious founder, am wholeheartedly supporting the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church directly founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ when it comes to seeking the truth about God. 😊
 
theMadJW said:
So, Jesus gave up Godhood?
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All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
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What kind of exclusivity can this be? What kind of knowing could make this true? No angel can make this claim. That kind of exclusivity can only be God knowing God. Otherwise maybe some other ‘creature’ might know God like Jesus claims?
John 17
17 After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you,
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What creature can ask this?
5 So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed.
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Angels in the presence of God Glorify God, not visa versa. Ever hear of a creature asking God to Glorify them? Like any other creature, God doesn’t glorify angels. How can a creature ask this?
 
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theMadJW said:
I REFUSE to believe anything that is the opposite of what Jesus and scriptures teach.
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Is there nothing that distinguishes your understanding of scriptures from Jesus’ understanding?
theMadJW said:
Sorry Jesus’ words mean so little to you.
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This statement reminds me of people who say" don’t you believe in the Word of God?" when I don’t agree with their interpretation of the scriptures. They seem to hear their own voice and believe it is the same as God’s.
theMadJW said:
Where do you imagine the ‘immortal souls’ of Adam and Eve are?
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Well, since they no longer have location I can’t imagine ‘where’. You would need to study the nature of souls to engage in that discussion.
theMadJW said:
I doubt my Lord and my God will let me be misguided!
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That’s really a problem. Might be why you hate a Church that has an infallible teaching?
 
theMadJW said:
You add MUCH to scripture.
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To you it seems we add to Scripture. If that is what you experience about Catholic teaching the opposite is what Catholics experience about your teaching. To me you don’t add, you take away from Scripture.
If you are right what happens to me?

> Rev 22-8
> 8 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book;

What doe’s that mean? What is the purpose of a plague?To know God and repent. That is fully demonstrated in the Scriptures below.
Gen 12
17 But the Lord afflicted Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife. 18 So Pharaoh called Abram, and said, “What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? 19 Why did you say, ‘She is my sister,’ so that I took her for my wife? Now then, here is your wife, take her, and be gone.” 20 And Pharaoh gave his men orders concerning him; and they set him on the way, with his wife and all that he had.
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Exodus 9
14 For this time I will send all my plagues upon you yourself, and upon your officials, and upon your people, so that you may know that there is no one like me in all the earth.
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Maccabees 2
I, like my brothers, give up body and life for the laws of our ancestors, appealing to God to show mercy soon to our nation and by trials and plagues to make you confess that he alone is God,
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Rev 9
20 The rest of humankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands
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Hosea 13
Shall I ransom them from the power of Sheol?
Shall I redeem them from Death?
O Death, where are[f] your plagues?
O Sheol, where is[g] your destruction?
Compassion is hidden from my eyes.
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So Scriptures teach that plagues are an act of mercy from God.

What happens if you take away from Scriptures?

> Rev 22
> 19 if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

There is only one equivalent to that since the tree of life in revelation is the next age.
Matt 12
2 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
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Mark 3
28 “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
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So, you see, if you are right and we add to scripture we will suffer plagues meant to show us who God is so we can repent and be saved.

If we are right and you are taking away from Scripture you are doomed.
 
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Try again.
The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. ~ Encyclopedia Brittanica
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By the time Constantine issued his Edict of Milan, the Catholic Church had already had 32 popes.
St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125)
– also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysius (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) – also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
 
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