Who was John Hus?

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rwoehmke said:
Jon Hus was a heritic. … Hus was burned at the stake after being promised a safe conduct to come and present his views at the Council of Constance. .
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Was the pope involved w/ burning Hus at the stake? I mean, did he condone that?

Someone else in this thread mentioned that the times were different then. But to me, that sounds like an excuse and a very lame one… Yes, Hus was a heretic, but aren’t we in the Church supposed to be Christians??? Isn’t that the bottom line?? 🤷
Jesus never advocated anything remotely like the punishment of burning people at the stake… for not belieivng in him (or anything else)… He could have destroyed the people who crucified him, but he didnt…
He came here to die for us but also to show us how to live… how to sacrifice for others, how to really LOVE in a self-less way.
This Hus thing really messed up my “thing” for the Church…
but i also realized more fully than ever, that i am by far not the only victim (much less the one who has suffered the most egregiously) at the hands of Her not-so Christian members…
The road to eternal life is narrow…
 
I think that once we are able to wade through all of the polemics from those times, it will not be so clear that Jan Hus held heretical views.

Especially in regard to the Eucharist.

It should also be noted that being mistaken on some theological points is a problem any of us, and probably all of us, have had at one time or another. Even the greatest of saints have gotten it wrong on one point or another.

For instance, Saint Augustine actually promoted some ideas that are heretical, (it may have been Augies’ ideas about predestination that Hus adhered to) yet he is usually thought of as the greatest of the church fathers in the west, and an important seminal thinker. Certainly not deserving of the stake and the fire.

We should not be too quick to dismiss this man Hus, priest of Holy Mother Church.

Michael
 
Hesychios said:
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It should also be noted that being mistaken on some theological points is a problem any of us, and probably all of us, have had at one time or another. Even the greatest of saints have gotten it wrong on one point or another.
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I don’t think the saints ever got anything “big” wrong… or seriously wrong… but then, i am not sure since i haven’t read every thing written by every saint who ever lived…
We should not be too quick to dismiss this man Hus, priest of Holy Mother Church.
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I dismiss him because i’ve read some of the things he believed. i stopped reading what he wrote when i realized he was a heretic…

I Do NOT believe he or anyone should be burned at the stake (I accept the Church’s current position on capital punishment).
You don’t say what St. Augustine said that was heretical or questionable or whatever… and you don’t say what Hus believed on the Eucharist (i am wondering about that…).
I tend to disagree w/ something you said about how any of us can fall into false beliefs… I think that if we are not walking closely w/Jesus, that can happen (and does) but anyone who has committed his/her life to following Jesus and is in the Church (etc)… well, i believe the holy Spirit guides those people and they will not fall into heresy - unless they fall into sin:eek: . Sin does amazing things to one’s mind… 😦 (and soul and heart…) That’s just my opinion off the top of my head, without having taken time to really focus on it in depth…
God bless…
 
smolderingwick said:
I don’t think the saints ever got anything “big” wrong… or seriously wrong… but then, i am not sure since i haven’t read every thing written by every saint who ever lived…

I dismiss him because i’ve read some of the things he believed. i stopped reading what he wrote when i realized he was a heretic…

I Do NOT believe he or anyone should be burned at the stake (I accept the Church’s current position on capital punishment).
You don’t say what St. Augustine said that was heretical or questionable or whatever… and you don’t say what Hus believed on the Eucharist (i am wondering about that…).
I tend to disagree w/ something you said about how any of us can fall into false beliefs… I think that if we are not walking closely w/Jesus, that can happen (and does) but anyone who has committed his/her life to following Jesus and is in the Church (etc)… well, i believe the holy Spirit guides those people and they will not fall into heresy - unless they fall into sin:eek: . Sin does amazing things to one’s mind… 😦 (and soul and heart…) That’s just my opinion off the top of my head, without having taken time to really focus on it in depth…
God bless…
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You have a unique take on the actions of the Holy Spirit. Are you claiming that ordinary persons can share in the charism of infallibility?

Since you have read about him, what do you think of father Jan Hus’ theology of the Eucharist? What is the major complaint?

What is he accused of that disturbs you? Feel free to quote or link a source. Then we can discuss it.

Michael
 
I really don’t see the big deal of it all, if you think of it in a Christian sense. Jesus did in fact recommend capital punishment for teaching heresy, yet these days we are a little more soft on people. Matt 18:6

We cannot know for certain his beliefs as there could have been misinformation on what he said or believed.

If he was upholding Catholic belief and was killed then he was martyred for the faith and is in heaven. It would be a great reward and all Christians should be willing to follow the example.

If he was denying Catholic belief and killed then unfortunately he probably did not have time to repent from his heresy and his fate is up to God’s mercy.

Who cares, churchmen make mistakes all the time, heck our own Pope kissed the Koran. That doesn’t prove the Church wrong it just proves that Churchmen can do things they shouldn’t do.
This proves nothing of infallibility but exposes the anti-catholics who use this to attack the Church of their inability to think rationally.

In Christ
Scylla
 
Hesychios said:
I care.

Michael
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I guess taking the two words “who cares” sounds terrible, and maybe I can be a little harsh at times. Sorry about that.

Yet what we should worry about is our own salvation and not imitating a possible heretic or holding him up as an example. There are thousands of far better Christian examples we can follow than John Hus.

As he is held up by anti-catholics as a sort of hero, that is reason enough to not imitate him. Until someone can bring up a holy anti-catholic who is an example of Christian love then I might consider John Hus as someone worthy of investigation\imitation.

Unless it is morbid curiosity or for reasons to defend the faith, then those can be reasons to investigate his life. But since our primary goal is Salvation then it is far better to investigate Holy Saints as our own Salvation is most important.

In Christ
Scylla
 
smolderingwick said:
I think it could be you are putting too much importance on the differences in cultures (traditions, etc.) between then and now… Human nature never really changes…
There are evils going on now in the Church that, while not on the level of physically burning someone @ the stake, are, nonetheless, inexcusable for people calling themselves Christian.
some people FEEL that THEY are being “burned” … in light of how some of them are treated - by people professing to be Christian. I have found many in the Church today to be judgmental, cold, uncarig, self-righteous, etc… and this kind of thing drives people out of the Church.
It is a very serious thing to drive someone out of the Church… The Church is where Christ is found (though how he can stand to live in the midst of so much sin is beyond me :eek: ).
the Church is where his true doctrines are found (etc)… If someone is out of the Church, he/she has no access to the power that eminates from Her…Power over sin and satan…
Like i say, some things never change…
I believe most people who leave the Church do so over PEOPle, and their un-Christian ways, not over doctrines and teachings (although those are the reasons often given…).
Anyway, God bless…
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You are likely correct about human nature. In many ways what motivates an individual now is not vastly different from what motivated an individual then or even in the days of Abraham.

On the other hand, in my experience, individuals actions and behaviors are not identical to societal actions and behaviors. There are of course connections between the two, but there should be little doubt that the society and culture of the Middle Ages of Europe was vastly different than today.

At the same time, we are all shaped by the times in which we live. We cannot help it.

I am sorry that you have had bad experiences with individuals within the Church. Please remember that they need your prayers too. We are sinners and they are as well. We all need to take advantage of the Rite of Reconciliation and our ability to ask Christ for forgiveness.

I don’t particularly care for cold and judgemental people either, but we are instructed to love our neighbours, correct?

It is not always easy to follow Christ and His Church, but she is worth the effort - even if there have been mistakes made in the history of the 2000 year old organisation.
 
Hesychios said:
You have a unique take on the actions of the Holy Spirit. Are you claiming that ordinary persons can share in the charism of infallibility?
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I believe that when a person is devoted, whole-heartedly, to Christ, he is “infallible” to the extent that he knows the basics of what it is he should DO as a Christian and what he should refrain from doing, etc… (what it means to be a follower of Jesus, etc…). To some extent, he is “infallible” (don’t really like that word, though…) because, well, he has accepted and been filled (we assume) w/ the Spirit of Christ… Ok, so maybe he can slip up and believe things that aren’t true or aren’t 100% true, but usually, a person so committed to the Lord will only speak w/ confidence - to others - on those things he knows of, not those things he isn’t all that sure about (for example, the immaculate conception, etc.)… Anyway, i am thinking and answering this as i go… don’t have time to focus on it too much… I guess what i am saying is that… Heresy comes from satan, the author of confusion. If someone is really in love with Jesus and spends a lot of time with him and puts him first, etc, the devil can still deceive him on SOME level, but not on the important level of what is true/not true concerning major points of religion… That’s just my off the wall opinion at this particular moment. Only the Church knows how absolutely true any of this is… In my own life, which is all i can really speak on, i have seen that the further away from he Church i am, the more inclined i am to believe false things. An example: b4 i came back to the Church, I believed that God didn’t love me much- or at all:( . I still fall into that belief sometimes. Of course, it is a belief that was nurtured by the things i had gone thorugh from childhood on… unhealthy human relationships… When i came back to the Church, i was disabused of a lot of these beliefs… 🙂
What is he accused of that disturbs you?
Michael
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I disagree w/ him on predestination. God did NOT predestine some people for Heaven and some for Hell… God gives us free will and we are allowed to choose at every step of the way in our lives, concerning big things and small things and every thing… Of course, one can FEEL he/she has no choices… and that feeling can make it SEEM he/she has no choice… / “As a man thinketh, so is he.” (Psalms??) But such feelings are a pathology in the emotional make-up of the person… and not the absolute truth…
Jesus, working through the Eucharist/Blessed Sacramnet, can change anyone… (though the more sin in a person’s life, the longer it takes, etc…😦 ). Heresy is only eradicated through the Presence and power of Jesus Christ, working as it does, through His ONE Church… against which the gates of Hell itself will not prevail… (Matt 16:18)
Anyway, God bless…
Do you know what Hus’ teaching on the Eucharist was? As stated, i stopped reading about his beliefs when i realized he was a heretic…
 
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