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TEPO
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A Church divided into denominations is a broken up rock
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tweetymom
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I say because of the rock of his faith Upon this rock of faith I will build my church. Faith in believing who Jesus is. Thats my answer and so be it if you do not agree.Have you read my post #60? I have asked why did Jesus name Simon Bar-Johnah as Peter, if Peter is not the rock of the Church. If you say that he was named Peter because of the rock of his faith, then I say that it was not necessary to rename him. Again what was Jesus’ reason if not to say that Peter was the rock ( foundation ) on which Jesus ( the cornerstone ) would buid His Church?
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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TEPO
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To claim that Jesus is the rock makes things even worse. We have then broken up the word of God/broken up Jesus… 
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tweetymom
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My faith in Jesus is the rock I worship on.To claim that Jesus is the rock makes things even worse. We have then broken up the word of God/broken up Jesus…
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TEPO
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I don’t know… So if faith is the rock, do you mean faith is the church?
Is the Church with Jesus Christ as its Head, — faith ?
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Lib_Christian
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Well it’s common sense if a Catholic doesn’t reject all Catholic teaching then obviously dissenting on some hasn’t led them to reject all.
As far as my source for who the Catholic Church defines as Catholic? The Catholic Church.
You can look it up in all the dogma, doctrine, catechism. I already have and I gotta go for now. Have a great afternoon and God bless!
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Javl
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My dear Lib Christian. If you know anything about the Catholic Church, its teachings, canons, tenets, doctrines, and dogmas, you would know that the Church teaches that anyone who does not accept, object to, or deny, any of its teachings, cannot be considered a Catholic ( even though one thinks he/she is ). Examples are the Society of St. Pius X, and Sedevacantists ( plus others ) who all claim they are Catholic, but are, in reality, not so. As for disciplines, ( virginity, celibacy, etc. ) refusal, or violation, is only a matter of disobedience. A person may claim to be catholic Christian ( universal Christianity ).When people are so sure only THEY KNOW the Truth even though in the end it all comes down to FAITH, then arguments can result. But it is sad. Take for instance people who insist someone is not a Catholic when their Church defines otherwise. Very odd to me how someone can say they profess all the Catholic Church teaches and then disagrees with the Church’s definition of who’s Catholic. At least tweety admits she does not agree with all the church says.
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Javi, fine. Then you say it wasn’t necessary.Have you read my post #60? I have asked why did Jesus name Simon Bar-Johnah as Peter, if Peter is not the rock of the Church. If you say that he was named Peter because of the rock of his faith, then I say that it was not necessary to rename him. Again what was Jesus’ reason if not to say that Peter was the rock ( foundation ) on which Jesus ( the cornerstone ) would build His Church?
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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Javi, maybe later if I have time I can find it for you in canon law or the tenets, doctrine, dogma, or catechism. It’s there. I’ve already searched myself to learn the answer of who is still a Catholic. But right now I don’t have time to research canon law for you. If I did it, you can do it! I even have a letter from my bishop stating I am a Catholic. God bless.My dear Lib Christian. If you know anything about the Catholic Church, its teachings, canons, tenets, doctrines, and dogmas, you would know that the Church teaches that anyone who does not accept, object to, or deny, any of its teachings, cannot be considered a Catholic ( even though one thinks he/she is ). Examples are the Society of St. Pius X, and Sedevacantists ( plus others ) who all claim they are Catholic, but are, in reality, not so. As for disciplines, ( virginity, celibacy, etc. ) refusal, or violation, is only a matter of disobedience. A person may claim to be catholic Christian ( universal Christianity ).
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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Javl
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Tweetymom and Lib Christian:
Please understand, we are not objecting to or denying your beliefs or faith. What we are all trying to do is to make you understand the true translation of scripture. No matter what we do or say you consistently close your ears, eyes, and mind, and refuse to accept what has been proven down through the ages and what today’s scholars and theologians, both Catholic and Protestant, agree on as to what is the correct translation of Matthew 15:18-19.
None are so blind as those that refuse to see, and none are so deaf as those that refuse to hear. You may look but do not see, you may hear but do not listen.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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Randy_Carson
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If the Church ever formally taught error, even one time for one moment, then Hell would have prevailed over the Church in that instance. Since Jesus promised that this would never happen, I am confident that it never has.
God may have to correct the Church in many ways, but doctrinal teaching is not one of them; in this, the flock, that’s you and me, are protected by God from ever being led astray.
Infallibility is something that God does to make sure that the sheep are kept safe.
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Randy_Carson
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As long as they claim to believe in Christ, does it matter what they actually believe about Him?
It’s the individual’s self-identification, and not some objective standard, that determines who is a Christian, right?
Deny the divinity of Christ. No problem.
Deny the incarnation? No problem.
Deny the resurrection? No problem.
As long as you think you’re a Christian (or a Catholic), you are one - regardless of whether your beliefs are actually Christian (or Catholic).
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Randy_Carson
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So, it’s your faith, not Peter’s, that is the rock?
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Javl
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If you protest Catholic teaching you are not a Protestant? Do you know what a Protestant is? It’s one who Protests, and who protests Catholic teachings, etc. I think you have an awful lot to learn. You are truly embarassing yourself with some of your statements. By your logic I can claim to be a Buddahist or a Hindu without believing anything taught by Buddahism or Hinduism.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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Javl
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Great that you have a letter from your Bishop stating that you are a Catholic. Did he or any of his staff examine you for your beliefs? did he say that it’s alright for you to dissent?
That should be in your letter.
I don’t need any letter from my Bishop, Cardinal, or even the Pope. All know that I am a Catholic because I am faithful to the Magisterium.
Believe me when I say that I have studied , not scanned over, just about every religion there is and can come to only one conclusion: To be faithful to Jesus Christ you must be faithful to the Church that He founded, which is the Catholic Church.
You don’t have to take my word for it, just ask converts who were vehemently anti-Catholic Protestant ministers like Dr. Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, and Jews like Eugenio Zoli, David Moss, Elias Friedman, Athol Bloomer, and many others who have delved into scripture, the history of the Church, and the writings of the early Church fathers. They all
came to the same conclusion: The Catholic Church is the church that Jesus Christ founded on Peter, as the rock. He put Peter in charge when He gave Peter the Keys to His Kingdom. And that Jesus Christ gave Peter, and the Apostles the authority and power to forgive or retain sins and to bind and to loose all on earth and that it will be accepted and ratified in Heaven by Jesus himself. Jesus also said that His Church will not fail because it will be guided by the Holy Spirit and will always be protected by Him. All this is true because after almost 2000 years the Catholic Church is still here carrying out Jesus’ mandate without any change in His teachings and/or truths. To try to prove otherwise is an exercize in futility.
PAX DOMINI
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luckyfredsdad
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What about a church that has at least four popes,that even I can count.?
What about that Church where two sections both claim to be the one true church? Who are not in communion with each other!
Where they have two Holy Roman Catholic Churches and two others who claim that they are the Church and the others are not?
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TEPO
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Its the one that Jesus built with Peter as the rock, that existed in Rome, and spread throughout Europe, then to the Americas from the Spanish.
That one I guess. I was unaware that there were any others…
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graceandglory
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Dear Javl,If you protest Catholic teaching you are not a Protestant? Do you know what a Protestant is? It’s one who Protests, and who protests Catholic teachings, etc. I think you have an awful lot to learn. You are truly embarassing yourself with some of your statements. By your logic I can claim to be a Buddahist or a Hindu without believing anything taught by Buddahism or Hinduism.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
I think lib is right. Just as the prodigal son didn’t cease to be his father’s son when he went away and wasted his father’s money and his own life.
Even though I didn’t consider myself a Catholic for 20 yrs, I never lost that indelible mark on my soul that I received at my Catholic baptism. When I came to my senses, like the prodigal son, I was received back Home, no questions asked, I just needed to get right with God and my Church by making a good confession and coming back into Communion. There was a time I would have argued against it, but the saying “Once Catholic, always Catholic” is true. Mysterious, indelible, and true.
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TEPO
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The Catholic Church has one Pope, and is the true Church with Jesus Christ as its head.
The others are branches of the Church.
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Randy_Carson
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Are you honestly suggesting that the Catholic Church currently has four popes? Or would it be more accurate to say that there is one validly elected pope and three nut cases?
Looked at another way, are you saying that the one billion Catholics in the world have any uncertainty as to who the valid successor of Peter is?
Is there more than one occupant of the apartment in Vatican City?
Does the news media cover more than one of these popes when something serious in the world happens requiring comment and guidance?
Last question: do you expect to be taken seriously in these forums?
Then make serious arguments and not this kind of clap-trap.
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