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I’ve heard that six Protestant ministers had something to do with Vatican II i.e. advising on the Mass, but I can’t get a clear answer.

Who were these ministers? What was their purpose? Where can I read about them?
 
This is a myth that has gone around for years. Protestants were invited as observers at the council but took no part in it. A commission was set up by the vatican to reform the mass of clergy and laity with litugy backgrounds. You can’t find anything about these "six’ because they never existed.
 
I’ve heard that six Protestant ministers had something to do with Vatican II i.e. advising on the Mass, but I can’t get a clear answer.

Who were these ministers? What was their purpose? Where can I read about them?
Their names are Dr. George, Canon Jasper, Dr. Shepherd, Dr. Kunneth, Dr. Smith, and Brother Max Thurian. Here’s a picture of them posing with Paul VI.
 
Their names are Dr. George, Canon Jasper, Dr. Shepherd, Dr. Kunneth, Dr. Smith, and Brother Max Thurian. Here’s a picture of them posing with Paul VI.
Photos may not lie, but captions can sure be misleading, especially on this site.

I’ve caught them in several errors of fact and interpretation: some little, some big.
 
“*On July 4, 1976, the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship unequivocally declared: “The Protestant observers did not participate in the composition of the texts of the new Missal.” *(Documentation Catholique #58, 1976, page 649).”

It all comes down to the question of who you are going to believe, the Church or internet rumors?
 
Their names are Dr. George, Canon Jasper, Dr. Shepherd, Dr. Kunneth, Dr. Smith, and Brother Max Thurian. Here’s a picture of them posing with Paul VI.
This site could hardly be considered an unbiased opinion. As a good Catholic you should not encourage false realities that involve the Church.

The Council of Trent invited protestant theologians to their meetings to get their opinions on matters, yet no one tries to throw out the council because of this.
 
This site could hardly be considered an unbiased opinion. As a good Catholic you should not encourage false realities that involve the Church.

The Council of Trent invited protestant theologians to their meetings to get their opinions on matters, yet no one tries to throw out the council because of this.
Nobody’s ‘throwing out’ VII…But it is what it is, and what it is doesn’t include ‘superdogma’ which others make it out to be.
 
Thanks for the help. I guess I have to be careful of the websites I visit.
 
Nobody’s ‘throwing out’ VII…But it is what it is, and what it is doesn’t include ‘superdogma’ which others make it out to be.
Perhaps, but it is being inferred that six protestant ministers compiled the Eucharistic prayers in the Missal of Pope Paul VI. The Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship said they had nothing to do with it , yet I detect the insinuation that because Pope Paul was pictured with the ministers then “it is what it is.”
 
Perhaps, but it is being inferred that six protestant ministers compiled the Eucharistic prayers in the Missal of Pope Paul VI. The Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship said they had nothing to do with it , yet I detect the insinuation that because Pope Paul was pictured with the ministers then “it is what it is.”
Good point. I don’t think they really needed protestants to compile the Eucharistic prayers…They had Annibale Bugnini lol. Oh wait, that’s not a laughing matter.
 
Thanks for the help. I guess I have to be careful of the websites I visit.
You can read a brief wiki entry on Max Thurian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Thurian

No matter what site provides the documentation, there are in fact, numerous clergy who have expressed concern over the Novus Ordo Missae years after it’s introduction.

Compare what Max said(see the wiki link) to the thoughts expressed in these quotes.
ad2000.com.au/articles/2005/feb2005p15_1853.html

Now, these clergy offered these thoughts well before the Summorum Pontificum, and as we see the TLM has not been destroyed. One those holy priests quoted is now Bishop of Rome. Deo gratias.
 
Good point. I don’t think they really needed protestants to compile the Eucharistic prayers…They had Annibale Bugnini lol. Oh wait, that’s not a laughing matter.
Oh yes, let’s hang Archbishop Bugnini now since we have shown that the protestant ministers did not participate in the compositiion of the Eucharistic prayers…how very “Traditional” of you.
 
Oh yes, let’s hang Archbishop Bugnini now since we have shown that the protestant ministers did not participate in the compositiion of the Eucharistic prayers…how very “Traditional” of you.
Aw Tim, relax man! A little high-strung or what!? I always thought it was protestants that didn’t have any sense of humor. I didn’t say “hang him”, I said “just send him to the middle of nowhere…get him out of Rome!”

There ya go, buddy.
 
The protestant observers may not have had a hand in writing the Eucharistic Prayers, but, for having no part in the reformation of the liturgy, the “end product” shares many similarities to the Anglican and Lutheran services…
 
I do not know a whole lot about the Lutheran and Episcopal liturgies, But I do know that Novus Ordo came out several years before them. The new Epsicopal Book of Common Prayer was not published until 1983,a nd I beleve the Lutheran Hymnals with their liturgies came out even later. There are different Lutheran denominations with different Hymnals.

So it would seem to me that our Liturgy influenced theirs, instead of them influencing us, just chronologically. BTW, just as we have clergy who don’t care for Novus Ordo, their are many Episcopalians that don’t care for their new liturgy either. ‘’’’’’’’’’'there were a lot of them who broke away and formed their own “Anglican” churches over this and other issues.

And there also is the Anglican Use Catholic churches, we got a lotof converts out of this.
 
I do not know a whole lot about the Lutheran and Episcopal liturgies, But I do know that Novus Ordo came out several years before them. The new Epsicopal Book of Common Prayer was not published until 1983,a nd I beleve the Lutheran Hymnals with their liturgies came out even later. There are different Lutheran denominations with different Hymnals.

So it would seem to me that our Liturgy influenced theirs, instead of them influencing us, just chronologically. .
You are correct. They adopted many of our practices including our prayers. That is why you can often go into a Lutheran or Episcoplian services and notice great similarity. They also adopted our 3 year Lectionary. That means that many Protestand churches are proclaiming the same readings we are each Sunday.
 
You can read a brief wiki entry on Max Thurian.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Thurian

No matter what site provides the documentation, there are in fact, numerous clergy who have expressed concern over the Novus Ordo Missae years after it’s introduction.

Compare what Max said(see the wiki link) to the thoughts expressed in these quotes.
ad2000.com.au/articles/2005/feb2005p15_1853.html

Now, these clergy offered these thoughts well before the Summorum Pontificum, and as we see the TLM has not been destroyed. One those holy priests quoted is now Bishop of Rome. Deo gratias.
Be careful of quoting from wiki.
 
Their names are Dr. George, Canon Jasper, Dr. Shepherd, Dr. Kunneth, Dr. Smith, and Brother Max Thurian. Here’s a picture of them posing with Paul VI.
That is a slanderous and false site made by sedevaticantist. That link should be frobidden on this site
 
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